amplification of classical guitar

Creating a home studio for recording the classical guitar. Equipment, software and recording techniques. Amplification for live performance.
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emeraldvalley
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amplification of classical guitar

Post by emeraldvalley » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:38 pm

I cant find any pickup system that avoids any damage to guita, besides a mic- I dont want to use putty type, or something under the bridge,
is there anything that could use velcro somehow under the soundhole interior? I also cant find any classical guitar that already comes w
a builtin phono jack plug that has any decent sound- the problem is that it buzzes when playing hard on upper lower string positions- such as villa lobos prelude 1 , and i dont want to compromise my playing style. Can this kind of guitar be adjusted by a good technician to avoid buzzing, without
making strings too high. I guess i am spoiled by my expensive classical guitar, and i dont always want to take the instrument when i have to play in restaurants or outdoor settings.

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Re: amplification of classical guitar

Post by guitarrista » Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:08 pm

emeraldvalley wrote:I cant find any pickup system that avoids any damage to guitar, besides a mic- [...]
You seem to reject the option of using a mic - would you mind saying why?
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Gary Macleod
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Re: amplification of classical guitar

Post by Gary Macleod » Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:40 pm

Irig do a sound hole mic, shadow do a pick up saddle that replaces your guitar saddle.

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Re: amplification of classical guitar

Post by eyedoc » Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:30 am

Bartlett clip,on mike and AER 50 alpha amp
No guitar damage
Unbelievable sound
I have tried many alternatives.....

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Re: amplification of classical guitar

Post by Blondie » Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:50 pm

AKG C411 and MIniflex Model 2 are two more examples of very good systems that do not damage expensive guitars (I have both). Nice quality demo of the Miniflex by a Delcamp user here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP56OuCCXuQ

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Re: amplification of classical guitar

Post by joseph.lau » Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:19 am

The Minflex sounds impressive. How about AKG? Is it lighter than the LR Baggs mic? Do you have a demo recording?
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Re: amplification of classical guitar

Post by Blondie » Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:35 pm

joseph.lau wrote:The Minflex sounds impressive. How about AKG? Is it lighter than the LR Baggs mic? Do you have a demo recording?
The C411 is very small and light. It attaches (via a sticky pad) to the bridge (on the outside). I don't have a demo I'm afraid, though I found one on Youtube also. I cannot say whether it is lighter than an LR Baggs. This guy has attached it to the top rather than the bridge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHEJQVIA9ag

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Re: amplification of classical guitar

Post by konstantine » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:26 pm

When using a mic is not possible (feedback, background noise) I use a Schertler Dyn G contact mic, its very easy to setup and sounds quite good, check it out.

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Re: amplification of classical guitar

Post by joseph.lau » Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:04 pm

You may consider the DPA 4099G which is a high end and expensive clip mic.
https://youtu.be/X0x2gV3SB3Q
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Re: amplification of classical guitar

Post by neil » Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:04 pm

Schertler make some really good product for acoustic instruments.... I used it and it work really well

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Re: amplification of classical guitar

Post by DanRock101 » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:16 am

Greetings everyone!
In my experience, both the Schertler & Fishman tranducers and the Kremona under-the-string-bridge-saddle-tranducer are great solutions to amplifying your classical-nylon-string guitar WITHOUT installing a piezo or drilling into your guitar.

The Schertler & Fishman putty-stick pickups can be tricky and problematic. I've tried the Schertler & Fishman tranducers with an AER Compact 60, (an incredible amp!!!) and the preamp on the AER was a little too beefy and the Schertler & Fishman tranducers needed some corrective/subtractive EQ and LOTS of gain.

The Kremona NG-1 is less problematic than the Schertler & Fishman putty-stick-on-tranducers in that you don't have to stick a pickup ON your guitar and host it with Line 6 G30 (in my case) via the Schertler & Fishman tranducers' 1/4" input. With the Kremona under-the-string-bridge-saddle-tranducer you'll need to use it's proprietary 1/8" or use a Sennheiser's 1/8" cable technology. In the case of the Sennheiser's 1/8" cable technology, you can benefit from the Sennheiser's GAIN staging in both it's transmitter & receiver which offer TONS of clean gain before any preamp/EQ/amp's-preamp-EQ.

Both the Schertler & Fishman tranducers and the Kremona under-the-string-bridge-saddle-tranducer are great solutions to amplifying your classical-nylon-string guitar WITHOUT installing a piezo or drilling into your guitar.

All the above non-installed systems are useful. You just have to figure out your workflow. Hope this helps! :-)
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Re: amplification of classical guitar

Post by Guitar Slim Jr. » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:33 am

Here's something to consider. Even the very best PU systems sound like crud compared to an unamplified guitar in ideal listening conditions.

Sounds like you have a valuable guitar that you don't want to drill holes in or glue stuff on. That's OK, a valuable concert guitar is not the one you want to turn into a plug-in. You'll only compromise it's lovely tone.

Why not just buy a less-expensive factory-built plug in -- a Cordoba or a Takaminie? It doesn't have to have great wood and great projection, it just needs to have a nice neck and sound decent plugged into a PA or an amp. In the end I doubt it would cost more than a high-end after-market system, especially if you need to pay extra for installation.

BTW, saw David Russell in Pasadena a couple months ago, and he used a mic...

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Re: amplification of classical guitar

Post by PeterDutton » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:16 am

Something I wrestle with all the time, I love my F. Navarro which is why I would never put anything on it. A clip on mic maybe but then the electric guitarist in me wants effects and a Roland synth and a looper pedal... I'm a total newbie to classical guitar performance but Isaac Bustos has a really cool set up, ask him?

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