Can we make a 'pure' recording?

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Per Lindhof
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Can we make a 'pure' recording?

Post by Per Lindhof » Tue May 16, 2017 7:04 pm

Dear all

I have made a little example of a recording where I try to capture the sound of my guitar as pure as possible.
I know it's an impossible job, as the room will always influence, as will the whole digital route from my instrument to my ears via the loudspeakers.

But I have added no extra effects, and I have tried to give it a sound as close as possible to how it would be if I sat in my own living room playing. Not trying to pretend being in a concert hall.

Set up is two RODE NT2A mics 80 cm from the guitar, 28 cm apart angled 60 degrees apart.
Guitar is Kenneth Brogger 2008, and strings are Daddario EJ 45C normal tension.

Feel free to comment.
Is it 'real? Boxy? Dull? Like being 'there', or just another recording?

https://soundcloud.com/per-lindhof/the- ... cal-guitar

All the best
Per Lindhof

Kurt Penner
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Re: Can we make a 'pure' recording?

Post by Kurt Penner » Tue May 16, 2017 8:32 pm

I think the answer to your question is no, but that recording is very good, very pure. Very much like being right in the room with you.

That's the kind of foundation sound that I aim for in my recordings but per my preference I add a moderate amount of digital reverb and a bit of bass boost because I just love it.

KP

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Steve Ganz
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Re: Can we make a 'pure' recording?

Post by Steve Ganz » Wed May 17, 2017 5:56 am

Per,
Only being there sounds like being there and even then, different places in the room result in markedly different impressions of the sound. I like your recording, especially the rawness. I can hear the basic qualities of the guitar. One of my pet peeves is against recordings that have "too much" reverb. Without the effects I can hear the natural sustain of the guitar the attack of the notes, the breathiness, the grip of the basses and woodiness. Did you use the same setup with The beautiful mountains of Spain?
Steve

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Re: Can we make a 'pure' recording?

Post by Per Lindhof » Wed May 17, 2017 7:52 am

Hi Kurt and Steve
I agree in your observations - 'pure' does not really exist, but I'm glad you get the impression of the guitar being present.
I don't remember the set up for 'The beautiful mountains of Spain' but it's the same mics and a little less distance plus added reverb (Waves IR1).
It may leave the impression of the guitar being played in a larger room - or maybe just the impression of added digital reverb :-)

I'm in a dilemma too about reverb, as I really love the sound of a 'pure' and present guitar, but my recording room is only about 10 m2 which may seem a bit dull.
Anyway, some things may happen during play back in your living room, and my idea is, that we may be able to make 'pure' recordings that will come alive in peoples rooms as if the guitarist was actually sitting there - not as if they were played in a cathrdral somewhere else.
Just an idea :-)

Regards
Per Lindhof

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georgemarousi
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Re: Can we make a 'pure' recording?

Post by georgemarousi » Wed May 17, 2017 9:26 am

Hi Per,

Very nice recording, yes I think it sounds very natural !


ps. very nice song, what is it ?
--Classicals--
Paulino Bernabe Especial 2009
Ramirez 1A 1980
Alhambra Luthier india 2012
Juan Martinez nr 55 (the return @2014)
Yamaha cg 110 (as a kid @88)
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student again since 2015, to my degree @..? - God bless!

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Re: Can we make a 'pure' recording?

Post by Per Lindhof » Wed May 17, 2017 11:15 am

Hi George
Thanks a lot for your reply. It seems like I hit a degree of 'purity'.
The song is a mix of two melodies I have composed for at student compendium for beginners and intermediate guitarists.

All the best
Per Lindhof

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georgemarousi
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Re: Can we make a 'pure' recording?

Post by georgemarousi » Wed May 17, 2017 12:06 pm

Very nice composition Per ! I was ready to google search to find the score ! :)
--Classicals--
Paulino Bernabe Especial 2009
Ramirez 1A 1980
Alhambra Luthier india 2012
Juan Martinez nr 55 (the return @2014)
Yamaha cg 110 (as a kid @88)
--
student again since 2015, to my degree @..? - God bless!

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Denian Arcoleo
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Re: Can we make a 'pure' recording?

Post by Denian Arcoleo » Wed May 17, 2017 12:23 pm

Really good recording, sounds like the guitar is in the same room as me.

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Re: Can we make a 'pure' recording?

Post by astro64 » Wed May 17, 2017 2:14 pm

The recording is excellent. I don't miss the reverb at all. Because this is how we hear it every day...

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