Two Digital Recorder Comparison

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Two Digital Recorder Comparison

Post by rojarosguitar » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:01 am

Here I'm comparing two different recorders, both Tascam.

Recorded with identical (as far as it goes) microphones positioned as close as possible and brought to the same volume without no further processing.

Tell me what you think!

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1hlwylfl5sly ... 1pdta?dl=0

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Re: Two Digital Recorder Comparison

Post by bluetoby » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:06 am

I prefer recording 2 it to me sounds brighter clearer.

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Re: Two Digital Recorder Comparison

Post by rojarosguitar » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:36 am

Thanks! Im curious what otherfellow guitarists think...
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Re: Two Digital Recorder Comparison

Post by Rasputin » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:42 am

Hate to be contrary but I prefer the first one - it sounded more natural to me. It's hard to put into words but the second one sounded to me as though it had been processed in some way, even though it hadn't.

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Re: Two Digital Recorder Comparison

Post by rojarosguitar » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:09 pm

Interesting! Looking forward for more comments...
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Re: Two Digital Recorder Comparison

Post by David Norton » Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:01 pm

Of the two, I like Number Two better, it sounds less harsh. Both seem too bright and close-mic'd however. What distance from the guitar did you use?
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Re: Two Digital Recorder Comparison

Post by rojarosguitar » Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:15 pm

It was less than an arms' length from my body to the mics. It's a bit close, but the surroundingis a bit noisy so I didn't want too much of that... Thanks.

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Re: Two Digital Recorder Comparison

Post by sxedio » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:06 pm

Hi rojaros guitar,

both sound good recorders to me, I think they fairly represent the recorded sound, whether more 'naily' or warmer ( are you suddenly switching to apoyando or going nearer the hole for a few seconds?), and it all sounds pretty similar as you'd expect given that you use the same microphone (what microphone is it by the way?). I guess the only difference could be in the impedance matching with the microphone, and any 'character' that the recorder's preamp might add, effects that seem to be rather subtle for me in this case (though I am listening through computer speakers!).
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Re: Two Digital Recorder Comparison

Post by astro64 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:59 pm

Going by what I would likely listen longer to if given the choice, I would pick no 2 in this case. Seems somewhat deeper and warmer with still enough "zing" in the treble.

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Re: Two Digital Recorder Comparison

Post by Kurt Penner » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:11 am

I preferred #1 for its more prominent bass frequencies and warmth. #2 seemed harsher to me and uninspiring. Both had the quality of being too close to the mic. My 2 cents.

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Re: Two Digital Recorder Comparison

Post by rojarosguitar » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:42 am

Thanks for the comments so far...
The differences are indded not very big here.
The microphones are a pair of Jim Williams moded (by our forum member Gabasa) AKG C460B with cardioid capsulas.

Of course the results you get depend very much of the loudspeakers/headphones you use. Quite likely computer speakers do not fully represent these differences. As I wrote, yes, the guitar was a bit to close to the mics.

So for now we have 3:2 for #2 ...
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Re: Two Digital Recorder Comparison

Post by Stephen Kenyon » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:41 pm

On one listen each, number 2 immediately more pleasant listening.

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Re: Two Digital Recorder Comparison

Post by el_guitarrero » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:43 pm

2 is better, but if i may give a simple advice, a little bit longer nails and finger attack from the left side of the finger would make both recordings a little bit more pleasant, since you have a top guitar and some of the best microphones....
No offense - just an advice. I think this could make more of a difference than the preamps comparison.... Thanks for the comparison !

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Re: Two Digital Recorder Comparison

Post by sxedio » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:12 pm

Ok I listened again with headphones and maybe I marginally prefer 2. Or maybe I'm succumbing to group think :P.
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Re: Two Digital Recorder Comparison

Post by Rasputin » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:28 pm

That leaves me as the only person who preferred 1, so I listened again too... and I still prefer 1! I am only listening through computer speakers but I am still hearing an artificial or strained quality in 2 that I don't hear in 1.

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