Aguado, Dionisio - Lesson No. 24

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Re: Aguado, Dionisio - Lesson No. 24

Postby tateharmann » Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:23 pm

Certainly, and out of curiosity is the recording by Segovia mentioned above a well established 3/8 rhythm? If not, maybe you could point me to a good example. Thanks!
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Re: Aguado, Dionisio - Lesson No. 24

Postby Paul Janssen » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:35 am

tateharmann wrote:Certainly, and out of curiosity is the recording by Segovia mentioned above a well established 3/8 rhythm? If not, maybe you could point me to a good example. Thanks!


This example has a well established 3/8 rhythm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd55o6bCg5Y

This example is played faster than you play it but it will give you a good idea of what Yisrael is referring to. When you listen to it, may I encourage you to count out the beat (i.e. 1,2,3 1,2,3 1,2,3) as this will help you identify the 3/8 (waltz) rhythm.
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Re: Aguado, Dionisio - Lesson No. 24

Postby tateharmann » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:57 am

Ok thx Paul. And on the waltz rhythm the 1st beat is accented, right??
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Re: Aguado, Dionisio - Lesson No. 24

Postby Paul Janssen » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:41 am

Yes, usually the first beat is the strong beat. However, with a piece like this I think it's more important to bring out the melody line. Certainly in the edition that I'm working from most of the notes in the melody line are accented.

B.t.w. thanks again for introducing me to this piece. I'm having a lot of fun learning this.

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Re: Aguado, Dionisio - Lesson No. 24

Postby tateharmann » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:48 am

Yea no problem! Thanks to you and Yisrael for help with rhythm. That's something I've been meaning to delve into and get better at.

For me, the hardest part of sight-reading is the rhythm :/

And, good tone is something that I constantly work on because I enjoy it. I often sit for endless minutes just plucking at the strings trying to get the best sound.

But what I really should be doing is practicing with a metronome! ! Lol
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Re: Aguado, Dionisio - Lesson No. 24

Postby Yisrael van Handel » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:59 pm

tateharmann wrote:For me, the hardest part of sight-reading is the rhythm :/

Tate,
Practicing with the metronome is a question of getting into the habit. Start with the easiest piece there is (Sor Opus 60 #1) and play it with the metronome. Playing with a metronome is the same as playing with another instrument. You MUST keep accurate time to stay with the metronome. The first few times it is hard. Start at a slow tempo, and just practice playing exactly in synch with the metronome. This requires you to keep time carefully to anticipate the metronome.
As for learning to play a piece in time, I suggest you start this way: mark in the manuscript (NO, terrible idea…in a copy of the manuscript) each beat in the measure. Mark the note on which the first beat falls with double quotes ("). Mark the notes on which the second beat and the third beat fall with single quotes ('). Now, play only the melody with a pronounced Um - pa - pa rhythm (this is a waltz). Play with the metronome. Learn the melody alone well with the metronome. Use a pronounced (exaggerated) rhythm. Anything that you try to express or convey from the stage always needs to be somewhat larger than life. When you have finished that, you can add the other parts. I hope this will help you overcome the rhythm issue in one lesson.
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Re: Aguado, Dionisio - Lesson No. 24

Postby tateharmann » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:05 pm

Yisrael van Handel wrote:I hope this will help you overcome the rhythm issue in one lesson.


That would be a miracle! haha

Seriously though, this is great advice. I'll dust off Sor's Op. 60 No. 1 today and give your advice a try. Thanks!
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Re: Aguado, Dionisio - Lesson No. 24

Postby tateharmann » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:00 am

Yisrael van Handel wrote:Practicing with the metronome is a question of getting into the habit. Start with the easiest piece there is (Sor Opus 60 #1) and play it with the metronome.


OK, so I took your advice (and Paul's too) and I did play Sor's Opus 60 #1 with the metronome that was collecting dust in my closet haha. And tonight, I practiced this piece by Aguado again with the metronome for a while and redid the recording. Here are the fruits of my labor on the same guitar with the same strings and the same fingertips only technique. What do you think? Better, worse, same?

To me I feel like it's definitely more rhythmic but there are still a few hesitations. Thanks for listening!
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