US $.5995 William John Gilbert Cedar 1998 Fresno/Clovis, CA

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US $.5995 William John Gilbert Cedar 1998 Fresno/Clovis, CA

Post by David Schramm » Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:31 pm

Classical Guitar/ William John Gilbert

Year of construction: 1998

Scale length (mm): 25.700" BSL 25.750" TSL

Top: Western Red Cedar

Back / Sides: EI Rosewood

Fingerboard / (bridge): Ebody fingerboard, Black dyed English Walnut Bridge

Sound: Very loud! Bright and clear. Great separation. Neutral sound that imparts the players unique voice to the instrument.

Condition: Used, minor playing wear on the top.

Viewing / trial possible: Buyer may have a 48 trial and is responsible for all shipping and insurance costs. Buyer is also responsible for any damage to the instrument. No refund if instrument has been returned with any damage what so ever. Especially nail marks to the top.

Location: Fresno/Clovis, CA USA
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Re: US $10777 William John Gilbert Cedar 1998 Fresno/Clovis, CA

Post by Jeffrey Chan » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:44 pm

Beautiful guitar. It's always been a dream of mine to play one of these. I met both Bill/John a while back when I was getting some other guitar repair work done and was very impressed with their dedication and quality.
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Re: US $10777 William John Gilbert Cedar 1998 Fresno/Clovis, CA

Post by David Schramm » Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:32 am

Here is your chance to own one. :-)
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Re: US $.7977 William John Gilbert Cedar 1998 Fresno/Clovis, CA

Post by David Schramm » Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:24 am

New price
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Re: US $.5995 William John Gilbert Cedar 1998 Fresno/Clovis, CA

Post by David Schramm » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:24 am

Here is my best price $5995.
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Re: US $.7977 William John Gilbert Cedar 1998 Fresno/Clovis, CA

Post by Jack Douglas » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:19 am

David,
Beautiful guitar! Is this the father or son's guitar?
Thanks.
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Re: US $.5995 William John Gilbert Cedar 1998 Fresno/Clovis, CA

Post by Jack Douglas » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:46 pm

David Schramm wrote:Here is my best price $5995.
Hi David,
My question may not have been clear. Is the guitar for sale built by the deceased John Gilbert or his son who is continuing in his father's footsteps? Sorry I couldn't figure out the scale length from the two indicated in the description.
Thanks again,
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Re: US $.5995 William John Gilbert Cedar 1998 Fresno/Clovis, CA

Post by petermc61 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:48 pm

Jack

The scale length is about 653mm. The second figure I am pretty sure just tells you there is a little over one mm saddle compensation ie nut to saddle about 654mm.

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Re: US $.5995 William John Gilbert Cedar 1998 Fresno/Clovis, CA

Post by Jack Douglas » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:02 pm

petermc61 wrote:Jack

The scale length is about 653mm. The second figure I am pretty sure just tells you there is a little over one mm saddle compensation ie nut to saddle about 654mm.

Peter
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Re: US $.5995 William John Gilbert Cedar 1998 Fresno/Clovis, CA

Post by David Schramm » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:28 am

Jack,
BSL=Basic Scale Length and TSL=Total String Length. TSL effects compensation and BSL effects play-ability.
The Gilbert's have been using a standard scale length BSL of 25.700" plus 0.050" compensation since the early 1980's. Compensation is not part of the scale length but part of the total string length. Gilbert's do not work in millimeters but in decimal inches. 652.78mm is the scale length in mm add 1.27mm for the total string length (which has nothing to do with the scale length play-ability). If you play a 650mm you will notice no difference. A 650 is only 1.39mm shorter than a 652.78. (Remember Nut to XII is 325 for a 650 and Nut to XII is 326.39) Spread over 12 frets the extra length is a 0.12mm from fret to fret wider. That is about the thickness of two sheets of printer paper or two human hairs.

Since about 1986 Bill Gilbert has been building along side his dad and has been signing the labels. They are exactly the same as the ones John built. Especially this one, which is why I chose it. Bill was not allowed to build if he could not equal or surpass his dad's guitars. This one has the feel of the early 1980's Gilbert's that I love.

I have played and examined many Gilbert's and have drawn many plans. This one is the same fan bracing as the ones in the mid to late 1980's. In fact there is a member here who has one that was built for David Russell around 1987(?) and this has the same fan bracing.
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Re: US $.5995 William John Gilbert Cedar 1998 Fresno/Clovis, CA

Post by caneti3 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:24 am

Wonderful guitar!

Do you have any clip track?

Thanks!!

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Re: US $.5995 William John Gilbert Cedar 1998 Fresno/Clovis, CA

Post by Jack Douglas » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:32 pm

David Schramm wrote:Jack,
BSL=Basic Scale Length and TSL=Total String Length. TSL effects compensation and BSL effects play-ability.
The Gilbert's have been using a standard scale length BSL of 25.700" plus 0.050" compensation since the early 1980's. Compensation is not part of the scale length but part of the total string length. Gilbert's do not work in millimeters but in decimal inches. 652.78mm is the scale length in mm add 1.27mm for the total string length (which has nothing to do with the scale length play-ability). If you play a 650mm you will notice no difference. A 650 is only 1.39mm shorter than a 652.78. (Remember Nut to XII is 325 for a 650 and Nut to XII is 326.39) Spread over 12 frets the extra length is a 0.12mm from fret to fret wider. That is about the thickness of two sheets of printer paper or two human hairs.

Since about 1986 Bill Gilbert has been building along side his dad and has been signing the labels. They are exactly the same as the ones John built. Especially this one, which is why I chose it. Bill was not allowed to build if he could not equal or surpass his dad's guitars. This one has the feel of the early 1980's Gilbert's that I love.

I have played and examined many Gilbert's and have drawn many plans. This one is the same fan bracing as the ones in the mid to late 1980's. In fact there is a member here who has one that was built for David Russell around 1987(?) and this has the same fan bracing.
David,
Thank you. I attended the Yale Guitar weekend back in the 90's when 'John' was honored by Ben Verdery. All the featured performers used their own John Gilbert in their performances. It was my first exposure to Raphaella Schmitts (sp.?).
I was just curious about the guitar you offer. Thanks for the very thorough explanation.
I have gotten to know Andrea Tacchi and his son Giovanni and see in them the same father son working relationship.
Good luck with the sale.
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Re: US $.5995 William John Gilbert Cedar 1998 Fresno/Clovis, CA

Post by David Schramm » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:21 pm

caneti3 wrote:Wonderful guitar!

Do you have any clip track?

Thanks!!
Not yet.
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Re: US $.5995 William John Gilbert Cedar 1998 Fresno/Clovis, CA

Post by brian » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:19 am

wow!!! if only I could generate this amount
of cash, I'd be playing this tomorrow.
a gilbert (father or son, and the son had to be
exceptional to pass muster) was a dream for
so long. and now it's here for $6k and I can't do it. someone buy this please and put me out
of my misery.
********this is a GREAT deal*******
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then quit.
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