Sales ads, CITES, etc. - Please read this first.

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This section is for the use of fully participating members of the forum.
Ads are accepted only for classical, Renaissance, baroque or flamenco guitars, theorbos, ukuleles or lutes.
Ads for any other type of instrument (electric, electro-acoustic, etc.) or equipment will be removed.
Members may only sell their own instruments or instruments they have built themselves. Business sales from dealers or ads on behalf of other people are not allowed.
New members may advertise one instrument only at any one time, with a maximum value of $500.
Members of the 020 group may advertise one instrument only at any one time, with a maximum value of $15000.
Members who have made at least 60 posts, who have been registered for at least 6 months and who make frequent helpful contributions to forum discussions, may advertise up to 3 instruments at a time, without price limitation.
If you are selling more than one instrument, a separate post for each instrument is required.
The maximum number of ads that may be posted is 3 per year (i.e. in any 12-month period).

Failure to respect these conditions will result in the removal of the ads and in flagrant cases the account of the member may be removed without warning.
Do not give your phone number or your email address except via private message.
Please set out your ad in the following format:
- Type / luthier: (classical, flamenco, lute, baroque, romantic)
- Year of construction:
- Scale length (mm):
- Nut width (mm):
- Top:
- Bracing (fan/lattice/other):
- Back / Sides:
- Fingerboard / (bridge):
- Sound:
- Condition:
- Price:
- Viewing / trial possible:
- Location (nearest city):

In particular please indicate a starting price as well as a location or locations where it is possible to try out the instrument. In the absence of this information, the moderators will regretfully have to withdraw your ad from the forum. The above template covers the most essential details, but sellers should of course provide further information in their ad on any special features.

Title format for your ad:
COUNTRY price(as 5 characters) Luthier model wood(soundboard) year, City/Town-of-sale
For example:
LK $..200 Yamaha G70A spruce 1969, Colombo
US $.7500 Anselmo Solar Gonzalez cedar 1971, Ashburn, VA
($.7500 = $7500), dots are inserted to bring all prices to 5 characters, allowing the use of an ascending sort by subject. This will display ads in order of country and price. The function to sort in ascending (or descending) order of subject is available at the bottom of the page below the guitar sales listings.
Country codes may be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1
Capital letters are restricted to the initial letters of proper names.

Ads are moved to the archives as soon as the guitar is sold. Ads that have had no response for more than one year will be moved to the archives. A message can be edited by its author for the first 21 days after posting, after which it is necessary to ask a moderator to make any changes.

Members who buy an instrument unseen do so at their own risk and should exercise due caution. For added security, it is advisable to use a licensed online escrow service (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escrow).

The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) means that some materials used in guitars, although formerly allowed, may now require permits or be illegal to sell across national borders, or even locally in some places. It is the responsibility of the buyer and seller to ensure that the sale complies with all applicable laws in their respective countries.
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Sales ads, CITES, etc. - Please read this first.

Post by GeoffB » Mon May 01, 2017 6:05 pm

1. General information about posting Sales ads here:

Important:
Before posting a sales ad, please ensure you have read all the conditions and instructions in the red section at the top of the page, including the required format for both title and ad text. Ads may be removed if this is ignored.

Sorting:
The standard title format makes it easier to see essential information at a glance, and is designed to allow sorting by country and, within that, by price. To sort ads in this way, use the drop-down menu at the bottom of the page, accessed via the button to the right of the New Topic button and which displays the caption "Display and sorting options" if you hover the mouse cursor over it. Click on the button and choose Sort by: Subject, and Direction: Ascending, then click on Go.

Editing:
Members can edit their own posts for 21 days after posting. After that, if you need to edit your ad, any moderator will be happy to do it for you. You can PM a moderator, but an easier way is to just click on the Report button (which looks like "!") on your ad, describe the required changes in the large edit box, and click on Submit. This displays the request to all moderators, and whoever sees it first will make the changes.

Sold items:
When you have sold a guitar, please report it to the moderators so that the ad can be archived. The best way to do this is with the Report button, as above. Don't rely on moderators seeing a request posted on the thread, as we don't always read every post.

2. CITES

Under the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES), unless you have a permit, it is illegal to sell, or even to advertise guitars for sale under certain circumstances if they contain Brazilian rosewood (and other rosewoods, to a lesser extent). Mostly this applies to sales across borders, but in some instances local sales are included too, depending on the country. Sweden and Germany have been mentioned in particular by members in this respect. And apparently in some cases if you advertise a sale without the required permit and are caught out, you will never be allowed to sell the guitar again, even legitimately.

So please make sure you are not breaking the law in your country when thinking of advertising or buying a guitar here.

There is a discussion and further information in this topic. (In particular see this post).

I will also list useful links here as they are suggested to me:

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/ ... 31997R0338
(EU regulations)

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/cites-imports-and-exports
(UK guidance, including useful links and permit application instructions)

Also, on the above page, just after the intro section under "CITES news", click on the link under "New CITES controls - Rosewood and Palisander guidance" for the European Commission's very useful guidance document on the subject.
(I won't give the actual link here, because of the forum rules on deep links to pdfs).

https://www.jordbruksverket.se/amnesomr ... 1ee75.html
(Details for Sweden, from the body dealing with CITES and permits there.)


If you have any useful links relating to other countries, let me have them and I'll add them to the list.

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Re: Sales ads, CITES, etc. - Please read this first.

Post by GeoffB » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:05 am

Please note that there has an update to the rules for this section.

This is to reinforce the fact that:

1. The sales section is a special service intended for fully participating members of the forum, namely those who are active in other parts of the forum.

2. Members may only sell guitars that they have owned and played, or that they have made. This is not intended as a sales outlet for commercial dealing, nor for selling guitars on behalf of other people, and members who ignore that condition may be barred from any future selling or ultimately from the forum.

3. A maximum of 3 ads may be posted per year, namely per 12 month period. So if you have posted 3 ads in the past, and wish to post a fourth, even if the earlier ones have been archived, you will need to wait until the anniversary of the date that you posted the first one before posting the fourth. Likewise a fifth ad may not be posted before the anniversary of the second, and so on.

We hope these rules will ensure a service that is fair to members, while avoiding the sort of abuse that could result in its withdrawal.
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