Sales ads, CITES, etc. - Please read this first.

Classical Guitars and Lutes for Sale.
This service is intended for the convenience of members who participate in the forum and is restricted to members who have made at least 2 posts.
Ads are accepted only for classical, Renaissance, baroque or flamenco guitars, theorbos, ukuleles or lutes.
Ads for any other type of instrument or equipment will be removed.
Members may only sell their own instruments or instruments they have built themselves.
Members are limited to the sale of one instrument only at any one time, with a maximum value of 15000 euros, though these restrictions are not applied to members who have been registered for at least 6 months, are members of the 060 group, and are known for their frequent helpful contributions to forum discussions.
If you are selling more than one instrument, a separate post for each instrument is required.
Failure to respect these conditions will result in the removal of the ads and in flagrant cases the account of the member may be removed without warning.
Forum rules
Ads are accepted only for classical, Renaissance, baroque or flamenco guitars, theorbos, ukuleles or lutes.
Ads for any other type of instrument (electric, electro-acoustic, etc.) or equipment will be removed.
Members may only sell their own instruments or instruments they have built themselves.
New members may advertise one instrument only at any one time, with a maximum value of $500.
Members of the 020 group may advertise one instrument only at any one time, with a maximum value of $15000.
Members who have made at least 60 posts, who have been registered for at least 6 months and who make frequent helpful contributions to forum discussions, may advertise several instruments at a time, without price limitation.
If you are selling more than one instrument, a separate post for each instrument is required.
Failure to respect these conditions will result in the removal of the ads and in flagrant cases the account of the member may be removed without warning.
Do not give your phone number or your email address except via private message.
Please set out your ad in the following format:
- Type / luthier: (classical, flamenco, lute, baroque, romantic)
- Year of construction:
- Scale length (mm):
- Nut width (mm):
- Top:
- Bracing (fan/lattice/other):
- Back / Sides:
- Fingerboard / (bridge):
- Sound:
- Condition:
- Price:
- Viewing / trial possible:
- Location (nearest city):

In particular please indicate a starting price as well as a location or locations where it is possible to try out the instrument. In the absence of this information, the moderators will regretfully have to withdraw your ad from the forum. The above template covers the most essential details, but sellers should of course provide further information in their ad on any special features.

Title format for your ad:
COUNTRY price(as 5 characters) Luthier model wood(soundboard) year, City/Town-of-sale
For example:
LK $..200 Yamaha G70A spruce 1969, Colombo
US $.7500 Anselmo Solar Gonzalez cedar 1971, Ashburn, VA
($.7500 = $7500), dots are inserted to bring all prices to 5 characters, allowing the use of an ascending sort by subject. This will display ads in order of country and price. The function to sort in ascending (or descending) order of subject is available at the bottom of the page below the guitar sales listings.
Country codes may be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1
Capital letters are restricted to the initial letters of proper names.

Ads are moved to the archives as soon as the guitar is sold. Ads that have had no response for more than one year will be moved to the archives. A message can be edited by its author for the first 21 days after posting, after which it is necessary to ask a moderator to make any changes.

Members who buy an instrument unseen do so at their own risk and should exercise due caution. For added security, it is advisable to use a licensed online escrow service (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escrow).

The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) means that some materials used in guitars, although formerly allowed, may now require permits or be illegal to sell across national borders, or even locally in some places. It is the responsibility of the buyer and seller to ensure that the sale complies with all applicable laws in their respective countries.
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Sales ads, CITES, etc. - Please read this first.

Post by GeoffB » Mon May 01, 2017 6:05 pm

1. General information about posting Sales ads here:

Important:
Before posting a sales ad, please ensure you have read all the conditions and instructions in the red section at the top of the page, including the required format for both title and ad text. Ads may be removed if this is ignored.

Sorting:
The standard title format makes it easier to see essential information at a glance, and is designed to allow sorting by country and, within that, by price. To sort ads in this way, use the drop-down menu at the bottom of the page, accessed via the button to the right of the New Topic button and which displays the caption "Display and sorting options" if you hover the mouse cursor over it. Click on the button and choose Sort by: Subject, and Direction: Ascending, then click on Go.

Editing:
Members can edit their own posts for 21 days after posting. After that, if you need to edit your ad, any moderator will be happy to do it for you. You can PM a moderator, but an easier way is to just click on the Report button (which looks like "!") on your ad, describe the required changes in the large edit box, and click on Submit. This displays the request to all moderators, and whoever sees it first will make the changes.

Sold items:
When you have sold a guitar, please report it to the moderators so that the ad can be archived. The best way to do this is with the Report button, as above. Don't rely on moderators seeing a request posted on the thread, as we don't always read every post.

2. CITES

Under the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES), unless you have a permit, it is illegal to sell, or even to advertise guitars for sale under certain circumstances if they contain Brazilian rosewood (and other rosewoods, to a lesser extent). Mostly this applies to sales across borders, but in some instances local sales are included too, depending on the country. Sweden and Germany have been mentioned in particular by members in this respect. And apparently in some cases if you advertise a sale without the required permit and are caught out, you will never be allowed to sell the guitar again, even legitimately.

So please make sure you are not breaking the law in your country when thinking of advertising or buying a guitar here.

There is a discussion and further information in this topic. (In particular see this post).

I will also list useful links here as they are suggested to me:

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/ ... 31997R0338
(EU regulations)

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/cites-imports-and-exports
(UK guidance, including useful links and permit application instructions)

Also, on the above page, just after the intro section under "CITES news", click on the link under "New CITES controls - Rosewood and Palisander guidance" for the European Commission's very useful guidance document on the subject.
(I won't give the actual link here, because of the forum rules on deep links to pdfs).

https://www.jordbruksverket.se/amnesomr ... 1ee75.html
(Details for Sweden, from the body dealing with CITES and permits there.)


If you have any useful links relating to other countries, let me have them and I'll add them to the list.

Geoff
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