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Sob!!!!

Post by clivepics » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:34 pm

First joint of middle finger on left hand went a month ago - too painful to flex more than 90 degrees so gave up playing for two weeks - consulted doctor and Ibuprofen gel seemed to work.
THEN two weeks into getting my technique back [slowly and carefully with plenty of rests in between] it went again and for a 2nd. time. Again [sob!] not been able to play for two weeks.
Am seeing the doctor again on Thursday but anyone else had this happen and any possible explanation/advice? All my other finger joints are fine.
Many thanks

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Post by lagartija » Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:17 pm

I hope you go to visit a hand specialist. Since you are an experienced player and had instruction, I hesitate to say find a teacher to check out what you are doing with your left hand....but as we age, sometimes we start to do things that do not have an effect on a younger body, but won't work with a body of greater age. It never hurts to have another trusted professional take a look just to be sure.
But most important is to find a hand specialist.
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Post by bear » Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:58 pm

clivepics wrote:First joint of middle finger on left hand went a month ago - too painful to flex more than 90 degrees so gave up playing for two weeks - consulted doctor and Ibuprofen gel seemed to work.
THEN two weeks into getting my technique back [slowly and carefully with plenty of rests in between] it went again and for a 2nd. time. Again [sob!] not been able to play for two weeks.
Am seeing the doctor again on Thursday but anyone else had this happen and any possible explanation/advice? All my other finger joints are fine.
Many thanks
I agree with Lagartija, see a hand specialist.
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Re: Sob!!!!

Post by simonm » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:01 pm

I had my middle finger locking up on me periodically recently - seems to have cleared up at the moment. Went to the local doc. His summary is that he could offer recommend a surgeon who would make a cuts (don't remember the details) but with a very strong risk of nerve damage and loss of feeling in the finger tip. Then he said "you are not getting any younger" (are are about the same age), "my advice, live with it".
In other words if you see a specialist, think twice before taking surgery as an option. It might be that the take an aspirin and relax approach is the better one. Get advice by all means.

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Post by MessyTendon » Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:15 pm

You should do PIP joint exercises. My PIP joint middle finger is completely stuck. I had tendon surgery to repair a nerve, as a result my nerve now has sensitivity and I can feel hot cold and pain. But as a result my middle finger is encased in scar tissue holding the main pulley which allows it flex.

My suggestion is to avoid surgery because it's not truly necessary. It sounds like you are pressing far too hard and using a jaw of death grip...loosen up, relax, only the lightest pressure to avoid buzz is necessary.

You could also have degenerative joint disease and that's common with age. Do you take vitamin D? It's an essential vitamin for joint health.

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Post by astro64 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:54 pm

clivepics wrote:First joint of middle finger on left hand went a month ago - too painful to flex more than 90 degrees so gave up playing for two weeks - consulted doctor and Ibuprofen gel seemed to work.
THEN two weeks into getting my technique back [slowly and carefully with plenty of rests in between] it went again and for a 2nd. time. Again [sob!] not been able to play for two weeks.
Am seeing the doctor again on Thursday but anyone else had this happen and any possible explanation/advice? All my other finger joints are fine.
Many thanks
I am not quite understanding what you are saying. None of the individual joints in the fingers has to move more than 90 degrees to play most of the guitar repertoire. So I am sure I am misunderstanding your situation. Perhaps you meant that the finger itself cannot flex more than 90 degrees from tip to base joint? Hope it improves soon, best of luck.

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Post by Non Tabius » Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:53 pm

Now I am beginning to understand why Segovia played " Asturius" much slower in old age than he most probably did as a youngster.He was obviously a realist.

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Post by MessyTendon » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:42 pm

My pip joint is in contracture...it is stuck at an angle...and because the scar tissue fused the tendon together, when I move one finger, the other fingers move along with it...so imagine trying a simple bar chord...one finger down, the other finger follows no matter what :)

I guess since I'm no pro, it doesn't matter, but damn it's annoying.

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Post by nightflight » Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:25 am

I have trigger finger in my ring finger / left hand. I treated it with a cortisone shot and that worked great for a year. Doctors seem to have differing opinions in regard to how many cortisone shots you should have... ranging from 1 to 3.

What it means for me is my left hand starts out stiff. I can play through it - it takes about 15-20 minutes. But it doesn't move quite as well as the other fingers and sometimes I have to adapt the fingering. I saw a specialist who works with musicians, and they said it was not trigger finger. But it is textbook trigger finger (another doctor confirmed).

I did try Volataren gel 1%. You can get 3% in Europe but not in the U.S. Didn't do much of anything. At this point in time, I'm planning on having a 2nd cortisone injection and see where that takes me. If that doesn't do it, then I'll go the surgical route. It's straightforward... basically the sheath that surrounds the tendon just needs to be nicked to enlarge the opening for the tendon. But any surgery carries risks, hence my hesitation.

I should say my left hand has been pretty beat up through the years, which has certainly contributed to this problem. As the saying goes... life happens.

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Post by Joe de V » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:13 pm

My left hand middle middle finger, which is my fretting hand - was injured in my teen years when I felt forward exercising a thoroughbred horse.
The injury was severe and I was not able to bend that finger to make a fist - the joint closest to the palm of the hand - Surgery eliminated the pain but my joint never functioned well after that. I have learned to place this one finger first when fretting and then I am able to bend it sufficiently to play single notes or any chord where this finger is necessary. When you visit your physician asks if his/her referral to a hand / orthopedic specialist may be advisable.

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Post by clivepics » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:32 am

had an X Ray and tomorrow a follow up appointment. can play simple chords but awaiting more detail - .....

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Post by Rick Beauregard » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:41 pm

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Post by JohnB » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:44 pm

clivepics wrote:had an X Ray and tomorrow a follow up appointment. can play simple chords but awaiting more detail - .....
Good luck with the appointment.

I agree with others about using a hand specialist.

If there is any talk of surgery please consider the problem of minimizing the scar tissue which inevitably occurs - it is only worth contemplating surgery when the benefits greatly outweigh the drawbacks. It would also be absolutely crucial that the surgeon specializes in hand surgery.

I would feel very nervous indeed to recommend anyone at all but, for information only, some 20 years ago I had a hand operation for Dupuytren's Contracture in my right hand (mainly the pinky and but also affecting the "a" finger). The operation was carried out by Donald Summut, who is described on the BBC Four "Dissected" webpage as "a world renowned hand surgeon". (Google on "BBC Four Donald Sammut" without the quotes.) He has a clinic at the Circle Hospital in Bath. Also, with any hand surgery, the post operative physiotherapy is absolutely vital.

If you want to know about my own operation's outcome, etc please send me a pm.
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Re: Sob!!!!

Post by clivepics » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:48 pm

Many thanks for your various posts.

update - two weeks ago was able to play 10 mins a day if careful - now up to half an hour in two stretches and am awaiting a physio appointment for further advice - so slowly slowly catchy monkey.

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Re: Sob!!!!

Post by dtoh » Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:17 am

I had trigger thumb on my LH last year. Great opportunity to work on my RH. Some types of injuries can take a long time to heal. See a doctor and let your hand rest and recover.

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