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Classical and Flamenco

Postby twistedblues » Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:35 pm

Does being proficient on classical guitar help with playing flamenco? And vice versa? Or is it like starting over?

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Re: Classical and Flamenco

Postby robin loops » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:44 pm

Flamenco uses some strumming techniques that you won't find in classical and these are like learning a brand new thing and visa versa. However a player proficient at any style of guitar will have a much easier time learning any other new type of guitar as fretting notes, forming chords, plucking the strings, etc., are essentially the same (albeit with different techniques, hand angles, method of holding guitar, etc.). Flamenco and classical have many similarities (more than most styles/techniques) and knowing one definitely facilitates the other but keep in mind that there are significant differences stylistically and technically, and that classical and flamenco guitars are different as well.

The flamenco guitar has a narrower bout lower action (as well as some other structural differences). You can use a classical for flamenco but they tend to have (especially cedar tops) a deeper or boomier tone than you want for flamenco and classical on a flamenco guitar can sound a bit thin and buzzy. If wanting a single guitar for both styles a classical spruce top with action on the low side (for a classical) is an option or a flamenco guitar that has a deeper boomier tone with action on the higher side (for a flamenco). I do not know much about flamenco guitars but I believe that a flamenca negra is one that many crossover players like to use. Someone more versed in flamenco and flamenco guitars will have to provide more info on that. Of course keep in mind that to pursue both styles seriously and accurately, two guitars is the best (if not only) option.
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Re: Classical and Flamenco

Postby Luis_Br » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:51 pm

I think LH are more or less the same and help each other. Basic musical knowledge of rhythm, reading scores etc. are also the same...
RH has some differences as pointed out, but considering in both cases you should be building up consciousness, musical and body knowledge, they end up helping each other a lot. If you have developed good consciousness of what you are doing, you quickly adapt to each other.
But I think changing the style caracter is the most difficult. When I listen to Romero playing Giuliani I still think this is a flamenco/spanish guitarist trying to play some operatic music.
So I think biggest difficulty to a Classical going to Flamenco is the rasgueos and rhythmic variations and consistency, with a more percussive approach to articulation.
To the flamenco, the difficulty is to remove the percussive attack and change the articulation to something more fluid, as well as to work on the subtleties of independent simultaneous voicings.
But you can still do great music with your own way. I still appreciate Romero playing Giuliani.

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Re: Classical and Flamenco

Postby Ramon Amira » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:07 pm

See my post from yesterday under "Favorite Websites."

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Re: Classical and Flamenco

Postby guitarrista » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:45 pm

twistedblues wrote:Does being proficient on classical guitar help with playing flamenco? And vice versa? Or is it like starting over?


Compared to a beginner who starts flamenco guitar and has not played nylon-string guitar before, it gives you a huge advantage. As Ramon says in his post in the other thread, the core guitar technique is the same, but there are a lot of add-on techniques to learn as well. Just the different types of rasgueados are a whole new complex universe to deal with for a classically-trained guitarist; also alzapua and other thumb-only techniques. Then all the different palos and working on rhythmic patterns. And if you'd like to accompany dancers or singers, there is yet another universe of skills to acquire - not so much as additional pure technique, but rather about observing, listening and responding to the dancer/singer on the spot.
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Re: Classical and Flamenco

Postby Salvador » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:03 am

I played classical guitar for a long time but i don't know how to play Flamenco. I really wish i can play Flamenco guitar also. For classical guitarists it's beneficial to know some basic Flamenco technique like playing scales, rasgueado. Let's learn Flamenco guitar together, by watching youtube tutorial videos.


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