List of Rhythms used in Classical Guitar Music

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Re: List of Rhythms used in Classical Guitar Music

Postby guitarrista » Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:15 pm

2handband wrote:
guitarrista wrote:
2handband wrote:Doesn't matter. A list of rhythms would literally look like:

1) quarter note
2) eighth note
3) half note


Hmmm... Those are (relative) sound durations. There is no "rhythmic" difference between the three "rhythms". You have to provide a sequence of them and assume other things, like maybe the sound has a sharp attack at the beginning; also what is important for rhythmic patterns is the duration between successive attacks, not the duration of the sound itself (i.e. 16th note + 16th rest + 16th note + 16th rest is the same as two 8th notes).


Literally defined that's all rhythm is; the relative duration of musical sounds.


Who defines it that way? Or are you agreeing with me above? Not sure. My point was that the three examples you provided (assuming they are repeated notes) are the same rhythm, not three different ones.
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Re: List of Rhythms used in Classical Guitar Music

Postby Lawler » Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:56 pm

Twistedblues, I hope you don't get caught up in these terminology arguments. It's pretty clear what you're asking.

From the Preface of Starer's book, Rhythmic Training...”This book represents an attempt to develop and train the ability to read and perform musical rhythms accurately...” “...No attempt has been made to shape these exercises into musical phrases or to give them form by repetition and development of rhythmic motives, since either procedure would tend to make the exercises memorizable by rote upon repetition in practicing.”

The book will help you become fluent with rhythmic notation and develop your sense of rhythm, starting with the most basic notation fundamentals and building up from there. IME students usually find the exercises to be enjoyable as well.

Check out Robert Starer's bio also. Pretty impressive.

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Re: List of Rhythms used in Classical Guitar Music

Postby twistedblues » Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:11 pm

Thank you so much :)

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Re: List of Rhythms used in Classical Guitar Music

Postby Luis_Br » Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:01 am

I think learning rhythm through pattern is actually a bad thing. You tend to obey preconceived sequences and end up with less swing and agogics.
I don't know the book mentioned before. Here in Brazil there is a nice book for rhythmic solfege by Bohumil Med which teaches to develop an overall mathematic logical relationship between figures and its multiples, rather than simply adding different patterns as some old books do.

To me it is also very useful to work with a perception software. A software that will generate aleatory figures and you have to play them with the space bar. (Ear Master is an example of this). The software is nice because it can generate infinite aleatory sequences, while in a book you may have to repeat exercises and it looses the effect. The only limitation is that I haven't found a software with drills for more than one voice at the same time.

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Re: List of Rhythms used in Classical Guitar Music

Postby twistedblues » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:29 pm


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Re: List of Rhythms used in Classical Guitar Music

Postby stevel » Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:14 am

Dirck Nagy wrote:
I know i'm splitting hairs here.


Yes, splitting hairs. Hairs I tried to imply, but maybe weren't inferred.

Now that someone has posted the rhythmic patterns for dances (dance suite, etc.) from Wikipedia I kind of find those examples laughable.

I do of course agree that when you hear the "oom pah pah" of a waltz, you might guess it's a waltz, and we might call that a "waltz rhythm". But that's about as broad maybe as "shuffle" or "swing" (isorhythm BTW was not fixed rhythmic patterns, but rhythms pulled from other works, though the rhythmic modes might be more specific ideas that get at what "shuffle" sort of gets at).

I feel like the OP was looking more for a list of specifics, rather than broader things and as I hopefully implied, Dance forms are about the closest we get. Still, the variety is so great, it sometimes is best to say "emphasis on beat 2" rather than give any specific rhythm.

Cheers.


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