How often do you Pre-Plant your right hand fingers?

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How often do you Pre-Plant your right hand fingers?

Postby twistedblues » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:28 pm

How often do you Pre-Plant your right hand fingers before playing notes?

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Re: How often do you Pre-Plant your right hand fingers?

Postby guitarrista » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:45 pm

twistedblues wrote:How often do you Pre-Plant your right hand fingers before playing notes?


Almost always - but I suspect you do not mean sequential planting but rather block (i.e. "full") planting. I almost never do block planting unless it is about sounding a block chord.
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Re: How often do you Pre-Plant your right hand fingers?

Postby twistedblues » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:03 pm

What is block planting?

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Re: How often do you Pre-Plant your right hand fingers?

Postby Larry McDonald » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:06 pm

Block planting might be another name for the "Full Plant", but I've never encountered the term "block plant" before. Do a search for Full Plant and sequential plant. There is a lot posted on this topic.
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Re: How often do you Pre-Plant your right hand fingers?

Postby guitarrista » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:25 pm

Larry McDonald wrote:Block planting might be another name for the "Full Plant", but I've never encountered the term "block plant" before. Do a search for Full Plant and sequential plant. There is a lot posted on this topic.
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Thanks Larry, I edited above. I think Hubert Kappel might be using that term - or else I instinctively used it since "full" does not really describe anything useful compared to"sequential" which does.
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Re: How often do you Pre-Plant your right hand fingers?

Postby Jeffrey Armbruster » Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:20 pm

I'm deliberately not planting on Carcasssi opus 60 no. 3. Aren't there a lot of instances like this? ("let ring".) I ask in all honesty because I'm going back and forth on this. How about Brouwer estudios simple 6? Or is it just a matter of recognizing things when you hear them? Oh, so I DO pre plant sequentially on Brouwer e.s. no. 5.; not on 6.
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Re: How often do you Pre-Plant your right hand fingers?

Postby lagartija » Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:49 am

Jeffrey Armbruster wrote:I'm deliberately not planting on Carcasssi opus 60 no. 3. Aren't there a lot of instances like this? ("let ring".) I ask in all honesty because I'm going back and forth on this. How about Brouwer estudios simple 6? Or is it just a matter of recognizing things when you hear them? Oh, so I DO pre plant sequentially on Brouwer e.s. no. 5.; not on 6.


Brouwer VI, the pami ami pamip arpeggio study-- you don't use a sequential plant? :shock:
I can't imagine trying to play it with a full plant.
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Re: How often do you Pre-Plant your right hand fingers?

Postby Larry McDonald » Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:59 am

Hi,
To actually answer your question...I use it in two scenarios.
I use the full plant the same way a pianist uses the sustain pedal -to damp the ringing harmony. So yes, I use it on the measure bars in Carcassi Op. 60, #3. I also use it when I need to play very fast ascending arpeggios, as in Merlin's Joropo or HVL's Prelude 4.

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Re: How often do you Pre-Plant your right hand fingers?

Postby Jeffrey Armbruster » Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:12 am

I can't imagine trying to play it with a full plant.
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No,I play it free stroke without planting.Of course not with a full plant!
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Re: How often do you Pre-Plant your right hand fingers?

Postby lagartija » Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:45 am

Jeffrey Armbruster wrote:I can't imagine trying to play it with a full plant.
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No,I play it free stroke without planting.Of course not with a full plant!


Oh, I misunderstood when you said you plant sequentially on V but not on VI. I thought that meant you were using a full plant on VI.
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Re: How often do you Pre-Plant your right hand fingers?

Postby Jeffrey Armbruster » Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:59 am

Maybe I should use a sequential plant on 6---I just tried it out a bit.

I'll try Larry's idea too.
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Re: How often do you Pre-Plant your right hand fingers?

Postby guit-box » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:50 pm

I had a teacher (and concert performer) tell me to full plant on Brouwer VI and I was quite surprised since I was always taught to sequential plant on descending arpeggios. I still find it odd, but it got me thinking about why one commonly reads the advice to full plant on ascending and sequential plant on descending. This teacher felt that it was okay to do and that common advice was based more on a pimami arpeggio where the preceding full plant on pima left only the option of sequential plant or simultaneous im plant on the descending part. I tend to prefer sequential plant throughout, but I'd be curious to know if there are concert performers who full plant on descending arps.
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Re: How often do you Pre-Plant your right hand fingers?

Postby Denian Arcoleo » Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:19 pm

I use the term block planting too because it makes sense. In answer to the OP, planting should be employed at every possible opportunity; it is the 'secret' of the best players.


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