Most difficult Bach pieces to play on Classical Guitar?

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Most difficult Bach pieces to play on Classical Guitar?

Post by twistedblues » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:36 pm

What are some of the most difficult Bach pieces to play on Classical Guitar? And why?
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Re: Most difficult Bach songs to play on Classical Guitar?

Post by James Lister » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:41 pm

The hardest Bach piece I (try to) play is the Gigue from the e-minor lute suite BWV 996. Usual problem with Bach - too many notes, not enough time. :wink:

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Re: Most difficult Bach songs to play on Classical Guitar?

Post by twistedblues » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:54 pm

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Post by soltirefa » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:14 pm

This guy posted below his video, "One of the most difficult piece of guitar," and I would have to agree after watching him play it. But there are other good examples of hard Bach, usually involving lots of finger gymnastics and stretches, coupled with speed and length.

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Re: Most difficult Bach songs to play on Classical Guitar?

Post by David Norton » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:54 pm

twistedblues wrote:What are some of the most difficult Bach songs to play on Classical Guitar? And why?
Uhm, I'd postulate the answer is "the dozens and dozens of OTHER Bach pieces which [virtually] no one plays on guitar". Why? Because they don't work very well (or at all) on guitar, that's why. Duh. So CG players and lute players stick with selections from the series BWV 995 to 1012, over and over and over again.

Or to write it in musical terms |[: over and over and over and over and :]| ripetizione liberamente e in eterno.

When a CG player records the entire cycle of JSB's English Suites BWV 806-811, or the French Suites, BWV 812-817, or the six Partitas BWV 825-830, in the same manner that so many players have recorded the complete lute, violin, and/or cello pieces, THEN I will recant my words. I'd even be satisfied with a complete full length CD recording of pieces from both the Anna Magdalena Notebooks.

Lastly, the 10-minute long Toccata BWV 914 works exceptionally WELL on the guitar, and only the last movement (of four total) is a tough nut to crack. But to the best of my awareness, only Stefano Grondona has had the insight to perform and record this one (Stradivarius CD STR 33868, from 2010)
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Re: Most difficult Bach songs to play on Classical Guitar?

Post by Lovemyguitar » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:35 pm

Please don't call them "songs" -- instrumental classical music should be referred to as "pieces".

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Re: Most difficult Bach songs to play on Classical Guitar?

Post by Denian Arcoleo » Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:49 pm

Lovemyguitar wrote:Please don't call them "songs" -- instrumental classical music should be referred to as "pieces".
+1

It's itunes we have to blame for this. Everything is a 'song', consequently digital natives believe everything is a 'song'.

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Re: Most difficult Bach pieces to play on Classical Guitar?

Post by chiral3 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:10 pm

If we re-word the OP I feel like I have a good answer: What piece by Bach is the most difficult to play on CG and still be able to say it is musical? Chromatic Fantasy.
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Re: Most difficult Bach pieces to play on Classical Guitar?

Post by Gary Macleod » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:16 pm

Everything but the prelude from the first cello suite

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Re: Most difficult Bach pieces to play on Classical Guitar?

Post by Lawler » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:43 pm

Kudos for editing the thread title's "songs" to "pieces".

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Re: Most difficult Bach pieces to play on Classical Guitar?

Post by RichardUno » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:03 pm

For sheer physical difficulty I would nominate Rick Foster's arrangement of Sheep May Safely Graze (Schafe Können Sicher Weiden), from Cantata BWV208. Christopher Parkening recorded it, but later injured his left hand playing it and gave it up.
Incidentally, this one is definitely a song.

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Re: Most difficult Bach pieces to play on Classical Guitar?

Post by celestemcc » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:53 pm

For length and endurance *and* speed: Prelude, Fugue and Allegro BWV 998. Some may well be harder, but to play all three as a set, and well, takes some chops!
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Re: Most difficult Bach pieces to play on Classical Guitar?

Post by Jim Davidson » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:05 pm

My first instinct is to say the Chromatic Fantasy.

Search for "Jorge Caballero plays Bach Chromatic Fantasy and Fugue (1/3)" on YouTube.

That said, it's difficult mainly for it's speed, and it's mostly one voice in a straight line. I think the hardest kind of music by Bach to play convincingly on a guitar would be a fugue. Couldn't tell you which one is the most difficult to play.
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Re: Most difficult Bach songs to play on Classical Guitar?

Post by Wesjr1 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:52 pm

James Lister wrote:The hardest Bach piece I (try to) play is the Gigue from the e-minor lute suite BWV 996. Usual problem with Bach - too many notes, not enough time. :wink: James
:lol: Reminds me of the line from the film "Amadeus", when the monarch tells Mozart that his latest work "....has too many notes". Mozart replies that it has "just as many notes as are required", then asks, "Which notes would you like me to remove?"
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Re: Most difficult Bach songs to play on Classical Guitar?

Post by zupfgeiger » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:01 pm

James Lister wrote:The hardest Bach piece I (try to) play is the Gigue from the e-minor lute suite BWV 996. Usual problem with Bach - too many notes, not enough time. :wink:

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I second that. I play the 1. lute suite for many years now but still struggeling with the Gigue, particularly with the second part. It's not only difficult to get the contrapuntal voices right but the piece also includes some messy acrobatic fingerings. This Gigue is a life long challenge.
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