Classical guitar players who write their own music?

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Re: Classical guitar players who write their own music?

Post by AndreiKrylov » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:55 pm

Sobers wrote:To avoid any misunderstanding I must explain that I have nothing against interpretation. We all do that in CG, that's the 'signed-sealed-delivered' way of learning European classical music. Also learning a great composer's music is like living with his thoughts, that's a beautiful experience.
But I come from an Indian classical music background where playing someone else's compositions only means 'beginners' or 'learners'... the Guru teaches all possible ways to enhance your musical abilities but then only you have to begin thinking about your own 'message' not defying the tradition though. Otherwise nobody will listen.
In European classical music I don't know only researchers can tell when the trend changed.
I can only ask questions like, 'Is the composer-musicians recognized in a special way than other musicians?'
I have nothing against interpretation too :).
I love to read music and to become familiar with music of other composers not just by listening to them, but by reading/playing their work. Technical skills are very important to every musician, and we have to work hard to acquire them. Yet the whole culture and philosophy of western music approach is very one sided and oriented to performance, repetition, copying and following to endless amount of rules, some of those though are rather irrational and based on certain cultures and even personal preferences of certain performers who achieved fame. I think that the best way is to approach things in such way that will make possible to use one's own creativity, rather than only to blindly follow all rules and regulations. From my early childhood I felt in love in "classical" western music and in eastern traditions and in free interpretation of things by gypsy musicians. Also I am deeply convinced that for ability of any musician to be able to create/interpret music is necessary to enhance himself in history, philosophy and cultures, otherwise music interpretation is just a simple technical business, simple "trade" and sport which does not really deliver any spiritual message, but just showing off fast movement of fingers and fitness of performer. But...I am very pessimistic... when years ago I started to talk here about such small adjustment of way guitarist do things as playing in standing position - I was subject of ridicule and was even forbidden by moderators to take part in some discussions regarding the same matter... and here in this topic I am talking about the whole philosophical approach to music/guitar life, not just one ergonomic issue... so I expect nothing else but total rejection of it, except by very few people :)
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Re: Classical guitar players who write their own music?

Post by Smudger5150 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:40 pm

Another one - Ralph Towner - although I suspect he's known more for his jazz work. I'm new to his work even though I have a CG tutor by him which incidentally has an improvisation section on it that you don't see in other CG tutors...well, in the one's that I've seen prior to Monsieur Delcamp's lessons.
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Re: Classical guitar players who write their own music?

Post by AndreiKrylov » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:05 pm

Francisco Tarrega, Fernando Sor, Mauro Giuliani, Niccolo Paganini, Heitor Villa-Lobos, Agustín Barrios, Andres Segovia, many many many - here is one good list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... cal_guitar
and another one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical ... cal_guitar
most of those people play/played guitar too. :)
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Re: Classical guitar players who write their own music?

Post by Sobers » Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:58 pm

AndreiKrylov wrote: Technical skills are very important to every musician, and we have to work hard to acquire them. Yet the whole culture and philosophy of western music approach is very one sided and oriented to performance, repetition, copying and following to endless amount of rules, some of those though are rather irrational and based on certain cultures and even personal preferences of certain performers who achieved fame.
Perhaps we can have another thread to forward this very important subject.... maybe what everybody looks for ie; Originality (Let me do the honour please)

AndreiKrylov wrote: I think that the best way is to approach things in such way that will make possible to use one's own creativity, rather than only to blindly follow all rules and regulations.
I am just highlighting in case anybody missed...... very well said

AndreiKrylov wrote: From my early childhood I felt in love in "classical" western music and in eastern traditions and in free interpretation of things by gypsy musicians. Also I am deeply convinced that for ability of any musician to be able to create/interpret music is necessary to enhance himself in history, philosophy and cultures, otherwise music interpretation is just a simple technical business, simple "trade" and sport which does not really deliver any spiritual message, but just showing off fast movement of fingers and fitness of performer.
Absolutely, again can't agree more... the 'trade' thing is eating us all

AndreiKrylov wrote: But...I am very pessimistic... when years ago I started to talk here about such small adjustment of way guitarist do things as playing in standing position - I was subject of ridicule and was even forbidden by moderators to take part in some discussions regarding the same matter... and here in this topic I am talking about the whole philosophical approach to music/guitar life, not just one ergonomic issue... so I expect nothing else but total rejection of it, except by very few people :)
Here, may I assure that a person and musician of your realization cannot be a subject of ridicule ever.
In a forum we don't talk face to face... we chat by writing comments which can be very misunderstanding sometimes. I think your path will always enlighten others in the long run.

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Re: Classical guitar players who write their own music?

Post by Flawiler63 » Tue May 16, 2017 6:15 pm

tormodg wrote:
Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:47 am
Alan Green wrote:Pat Coldrick - as featured on Tony Morris's Classical Guitar Alive radio show the other month
His compositions are quite good and not too hard. I played his "Lament" at my daughter's confirmation a couple of years ago.
I saw Pat Corldrick at a concert in West Cork last year. He is an excellent performer, very relaxed and quite funny. I enjoy playing his Boyne Suite (productionsdoz) and hope that the sheet music for Elena and Antarctica will become available.

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Re: Classical guitar players who write their own music?

Post by ddray » Thu May 18, 2017 2:36 pm

[retracted :lol: ] I wish we could delete comments
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Re: Classical guitar players who write their own music?

Post by ddray » Thu May 18, 2017 3:38 pm

Smudger5150 wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:46 pm

I have wondered in the past about why the classical genre always seems to be more about performance rather than composition whereas a lot of non-classical music (certainly the music from artists I listen to) is about bringing out a new album of their own music.
Just my opinion, but it seems that at some point after Beethoven specialization and codification ruled the day, worrying over minutiae to the point where, as the gentleman above pointed out, you get ridiculed for playing cg while standing or playing without nails or playing on an instrument that cost less than the GDP of a small country. Bach and Mozart were musicians. Musicians evolved into faculty composing for other faculty and Pulitzer Prize committees, after being immersed in learning one instrument from the age of two. I think the only "serious composers" around now work on film scores. The great American composers of the last half of the 20th century weren't people like John Cage or Elliott Carter. They were people like Elmer Bernstein and Jerry Goldsmith. The latter composed for a public, not as some esoteric exercise to please the Yale music department.

PS- no deprecation of educators on the forum was intended. I respect the work they've put in to get to where they are. We have to deal with the situation as it is.

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Re: Classical guitar players who write their own music?

Post by chien buggle » Fri May 19, 2017 10:06 am

Lads don't forget leo brower.

I love the idea of performer composers but unfortunately a lot of this music isn't that interesting. I think people tend to over rely on the open strings and it make for very harmonically static music. I feel like escaping the technicalities of the guitar is a big challenge for performer composers. Of course there are exceptions like Brower, Sergio Assad and others..

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Re: Classical guitar players who write their own music?

Post by Smudger5150 » Fri May 19, 2017 10:14 am

chien buggle wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 10:06 am
Lads don't forget leo brower.

I love the idea of performer composers but unfortunately a lot of this music isn't that interesting. I think people tend to over rely on the open strings and it make for very harmonically static music. I feel like escaping the technicalities of the guitar is a big challenge for performer composers. Of course there are exceptions like Brower, Sergio Assad and others..
Can't remember the thread now but someone posted something before to the effect that there was a view (by whom - some professional composer I think...) that people should decide on being a composer or player (not both) because both take a significant amount of time separately to become proficient at.
IMO - that seems a bit limiting unless they were talking from a pragmatic point view i.e. making a living.
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Re: Classical guitar players who write their own music?

Post by Smudger5150 » Fri May 19, 2017 10:22 am

With reference to the original post, is there an assumption that the term 'classical guitar players' is defined implicitly as 'those who are professional players who do or have done concerts and/or produced a recording through some major label', or something to that effect?

Because I was thinking it might be worth highlighing (listing?) all the members, past and present, who have created new music, even if they are not all "pros" so to speak.

I know Hilary Field and Andrei are members but I would define them most definitely as "the pros" (unlike me!) but there are so many others on this site and I assume most if not all of them are players (as opposed to purely composers).

Unless we add them to the wikipedia lists as well... :wink:
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Re: Classical guitar players who write their own music?

Post by chien buggle » Fri May 19, 2017 10:49 am

Smudger5150 wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 10:14 am
chien buggle wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 10:06 am
Lads don't forget leo brower.

I love the idea of performer composers but unfortunately a lot of this music isn't that interesting. I think people tend to over rely on the open strings and it make for very harmonically static music. I feel like escaping the technicalities of the guitar is a big challenge for performer composers. Of course there are exceptions like Brower, Sergio Assad and others..
Can't remember the thread now but someone posted something before to the effect that there was a view (by whom - some professional composer I think...) that people should decide on being a composer or player (not both) because both take a significant amount of time separately to become proficient at.
IMO - that seems a bit limiting unless they were talking from a pragmatic point view i.e. making a living.
I'm totally in favour of the idea, I just think people underestimate the difficulty. When it works it's fantastic, player composers can write music that explores the possibilities of the instrument in a way no non guitarist composer could. I suspect that specialisation has been going on for so long that it's takes someone exceptional to be able to do both to a high standard.

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Re: Classical guitar players who write their own music?

Post by ddray » Fri May 19, 2017 3:07 pm

chien buggle wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 10:06 am
Lads don't forget leo brower.
Yes, as far as guitar's concerned I just started getting back into it fairly recently, so I haven't really gotten into Brouwer's work yet. But his work that I've heard does sound interesting and at least accessible. In the comment I retracted I criticized Andrew York. His work isn't to my taste but I think he has the "accessibility" angle as well, most of the time. Usually "modern music" implies something like "Threnody for Prepared Guitar: Koans of the Gateless Gate" with the strings tuned to thirds and paper clips hanging near the bridge. Or some such. :lol:

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Re: Classical guitar players who write their own music?

Post by Evocacion » Sat May 20, 2017 4:44 pm

And don't forget Nikita Koshkin, either.
I'm struggling to do justice to Without Landscape and Elephant, both from his Da Capo - 24 Easy Pieces.
Here's his missus playing one of his longer pieces...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJGItiRVpXw
OK, John Williams plays it better technically, but
a) Asya puts far more passion into it
and b) Asya is far prettier!

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Re: Classical guitar players who write their own music?

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Sun May 21, 2017 3:38 am

You should check out Eric Tingstad. His first two albums, On the Links, and Urban Guitar are solo guitar. He played a Ramirez on those two albums. Hey are out of print, but you can still find them on Flea bay. He is primarily a steel string player on his new stuff.

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Re: Classical guitar players who write their own music?

Post by ddray » Sun May 21, 2017 6:36 am

chien buggle wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 10:49 am

I'm totally in favour of the idea, I just think people underestimate the difficulty. When it works it's fantastic, player composers can write music that explores the possibilities of the instrument in a way no non guitarist composer could. I suspect that specialisation has been going on for so long that it's takes someone exceptional to be able to do both to a high standard.
It would seem that if anyone wants to make a living as a classical guitarist he/she would be well-advised to compose original material, or delve into jazz or other forms of music.
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