Can an Old Guy make it to 10,000 Hours? A rhetorical question

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Re: Can an Old Guy make it to 10,000 Hours? A rhetorical question

Post by Rick Beauregard » Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:16 pm

Alan and Eberhard, do you have a list of pieces that you try to keep fresh, what I have called my Gold Set List? If so what are they. I listed mine a few posts back. I try to play them at least every week but that's not enough to keep them in the fingers.
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Re: Can an Old Guy make it to 10,000 Hours? A rhetorical question

Post by skipintro » Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:16 pm

I bought Bert Weedon's "Play in a A Day" about 50 years ago. It's been a long day!
Then Carulli et al. I stopped after a year or two - halfway through 'Lagrima' I seem to recall.
Started again 3 years ago and now trying hard age 72.
Making progress!
Main difference now is the availability of masses of material (such as this site and youtube) and also tab, which I didn't know about back then, and I'm older and wiser (I think). I find learning easier now than it was then,
I've concentrated hard on sight reading and memorising - lots of info here https://memorisingmusic.com/2014/07/29/ ... -practice/
So I can now play Lagrima more or less but I've got interested in a lot more material from other sources off the straight and narrow.
Currently memorising 'Tango 3' by Ferrer and milongas by Fleury, Pujol and others.
My sight reading has improved I think by having a go at anything and everything. Working hard on a limited repertoire can be self defeating and some things can be left for another time. It's very pleasing to come back to something I couldn't play a year ago and now finding it possible.
But the main thing for me has been endlessly returning to beginnings; Carulli's lessons and yes 'Play in a Day' all over again. I need to spend a lot of time playing simple stuff well instead of difficult badly.

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Re: Can an Old Guy make it to 10,000 Hours? A rhetorical question

Post by Rick Beauregard » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:39 pm

Welcome back skipintro, and thanks for the link. I'll add one more technique that I read on The Bulletproof Musician https://bulletproofmusician.com/

It turns out a lot of memorization technique helps retention. But doesn't do as much for recovery. Interleaved practice is shown to improve both. Practice a short phrase (one link) slowly and repetitively for 5 minutes (set your timer) then move on to another piece or phrase for 5 minutes. Then a third phrase for 5. Repeat this until you reach your 45 min or hour session and take a break.

I also recommend you look at the online lessons here on Delcamp. I had two years of lessons 35 years ago and quit. So I started at Delcamp level 1 and read through everything I could sight read, then year 2. At year 3 i hit a road block so I started the lessons there. I'm on D06 now. There's a great (free) and graded repertoire to match your level and push you forward, good discipline with monthly lessons, and great feedback from fellow enthusiasts from around the world.
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Re: Can an Old Guy make it to 10,000 Hours? A rhetorical question

Post by Eberhard Mueller » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:22 pm

Rick Beauregard wrote:
Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:16 pm
Alan and Eberhard, do you have a list of pieces that you try to keep fresh, what I have called my Gold Set List? If so what are they. I listed mine a few posts back. I try to play them at least every week but that's not enough to keep them in the fingers.
I do have a gold set list which I call my repertoire book. In printed form it is composed of about 60 pieces. The electronic version has way more which can be made readily available to add to the repertoire book. That's a long list which, when I have time later, I can post. Truth be told, this is more than I can maintain. I would say that the first 30 are gilded and the remainder become silver and eventually tarnish sets in! I can't say that everything gets played weekly.

I'm almost 73, of course retired, and should have time. Yet, there are other things happening all the week. When I do have the day clear, I find myself procrastinating until later in the evening. I think arthritis pain is responsible for a lot of the procrastination. Once I get started, I find it hard to stop. Lately I've trained myself to stop in time before I cripple myself for the next day. I try to be realistic about where the practicing I get is going to take me. Likely, for the duration of my life, I will delightfully hover at around the intermediate level. There is so much quality music in the mid-range level of ability. Now and then, one always has opportunity to include a tougher piece.
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Re: Can an Old Guy make it to 10,000 Hours? A rhetorical question

Post by Eberhard Mueller » Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:04 am

Eberhard Mueller wrote:
Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:22 pm
Rick Beauregard wrote:
Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:16 pm
Alan and Eberhard, do you have a list of pieces that you try to keep fresh, what I have called my Gold Set List? If so what are they. I listed mine a few posts back. I try to play them at least every week but that's not enough to keep them in the fingers.
I do have a gold set list which I call my repertoire book. In printed form it is composed of about 60 pieces. The electronic version has way more which can be made readily available to add to the repertoire book. That's a long list which, when I have time later, I can post. Truth be told, this is more than I can maintain. I would say that the first 30 are gilded and the remainder become silver and eventually tarnish sets in! I can't say that everything gets played weekly.
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Rick, as promised, this is my current list, more gold set than silver: :wink:

Sor – Coste Method: #9 – #11 - #13
Sor: Op. 6 #1, #2, #8
Op. 31 #21
Op. 35 #3, #13, #14, #17, #22
Aguado: Lesson #15, #19, #24, #26
Giuliani: Op. 51 #1,
Op. 107 Haendel Variations, Theme, #1, #2, #3, #6 (Chiesa)
C.J. Dorn arr: The Last Rose of Summer
Tarrega: Estudio in E minor
Lagrima
Adelita
Anonymous: Ballet, transc. Gerrits
Romance, arr. Noad
Ballet from Terpsichore, arr. Noad
Mertz: Song arrangements from Kukuk #1, #2, #8, #9, #52, #53, #76, #102, #103, #119, #134, #135
Nocturne Op.4 #2
Haendel: Fughette from Aylesford Pieces (Segovia)
Bach: BWV 996 Bouree (Bream)
BWV 1012 Gavotte #1 & 2 (Lorimer)
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Re: Can an Old Guy make it to 10,000 Hours? A rhetorical question

Post by Rick Beauregard » Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:55 pm

Wow and impressive list! This is great and gives me some things to look at that I haven't tried yet. Thanks EM.
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Re: Can an Old Guy make it to 10,000 Hours? A rhetorical question

Post by Eberhard Mueller » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:10 pm

Rick Beauregard wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:55 pm
Wow and impressive list! This is great and gives me some things to look at that I haven't tried yet. Thanks EM.
The list is too long, even 'though the pieces are mostly short, Rick! It breaks my heart to take off pieces in which I've invested affection and time. However, there is always a new piece that I hear and want to add. I really have come to some senses and select shorter easier works. I believe I mentioned earlier in this thread, that first time around with the classical guitar, I made the strategic error of taking on ever more difficult pieces which made the earlier learned pieces drop out as I did not have time for them anymore. In the end you have nothing to show except the latest!

Yet, there is constant temptation! I hear Uros Baric play his arrangement of "Nearer, My God, To Thee" and I just have to try it. It looks to be challenging and would take some time! So far, I've not located the sheet music. Thankfully! :?
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Re: Can an Old Guy make it to 10,000 Hours? A rhetorical question

Post by ashepps » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:16 am

Rick Beauregard wrote:
Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:16 pm
Alan and Eberhard, do you have a list of pieces that you try to keep fresh, what I have called my Gold Set List? If so what are they. I listed mine a few posts back. I try to play them at least every week but that's not enough to keep them in the fingers.
Rick, I have not forgot your request, I had started a list (not very many), but never got it together, I saw the Notification again and thought I would at least respond. I will get them to you shortly. Probably a lot of members won't like this, but I have been trying to put two nice arrangements by Soren Madsen, Hallelujah and Stairway to Heaven, to memory and I am finding that quite a chore! It is making me play them better though!

Also, I am doing the same thing with Mason William's original recording of Classical Gas, without the orchestra and with full bars, not the lazy way! Relearning it, I did find a few of my errors that are now hard to fix when the muscle memory kicks in.

There I said it...three pop pieces!

Cheers,

Alan
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