In Germany, are guitar lessons within schools funded by the state, or do parents have to meet the costs?simonm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:27 pmI suspect that the bulk of people here only have experience of one to one teaching on the receiving end. Some of the teachers probably have group as well as one to one experience.
All the classes I have had were one to one. However, I believe that group learning has some advantages. One to one completely leaves out the social element of music: but music is fundamentally a social pursuit so this is a big mistake in my view. However, from a teaching perspective if certainly needs both different techniques and a lot of confidence/experience to get good results in a mixed group situation.
I have never taught music but in other teaching endeavours the trip has been to break up the participants into "self-help" groups (for want of a better expression) and to remove impediments to learning. The most able student in the group becomes the teacher/leader for the others. The key is to work on maintaining motivation and momentum. People are good at learning. We all learned out native languages informally and easily enough. Someone once said the mystery is why people fail to learn - not that they do learn. At some point many schools systems have changed from being educational establishments to being custodial facilities to keep young people off the streets and out of trouble (and out of the unemployment statistics).
In an ideal world, yes - but sadly there are teachers who also have to deal with behavioural issues that might arise from teaching groups of kids. And it is not always as easy as getting rid of the offenders - if there is money to be made by the music authorities who organise the lessons. I don't know what it is like in other countries, but teachers in the UK are no longer given automatic respect (far from it, in many cases).malc laney wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:18 pmIf the material being used is well thought out , most pupils can be catered for , especially in the beginning stages , and working in a group is very motivational.If possible , parents will see the enthusiasm of their child , and are then encouraged to get one to one , so everyboby is happy!
Obviously there may be exceptions but I think you'll find that even when the lessons seem expensive and add up to more than the tutor's hourly, the school or authority is pretty much always still subsidising the lessons to a degree. Certainly is the case at my school.
I think it varies massively, and there is no national standard for funding. Manchester LEA which was always very left wing provided group tuition fully funded for every school. Nearby Trafford LEA (Tory) sacked its peripateric teachers in the 1980s and schools either fund small groups from budgets (don't even go there) or parents have to pay - depending on the school. I will stop before I get political.Stephen Kenyon wrote:Obviously there may be exceptions but I think you'll find that even when the lessons seem expensive and add up to more than the tutor's hourly, the school or authority is pretty much always still subsidising the lessons to a degree. Certainly is the case at my school.Adrian Allan wrote:... And it is not always as easy as getting rid of the offenders - if there is money to be made by the music authorities who organise the lessons....
No clue. My assumption would be that if it takes place inside the school, it is included. Certainly there is a (long!) formal training scheme (Lehramt) for music and guitar teachers that qualifies them to teach in schools.
No lessons are ideal. But I think some group lessons have their place. Part of the issue is teachers not having any experience in group environments. In a different context, I was able to do small group work in a class with 140 people. No one teacher I knew was willing to risk it failing and them losing face. At that point in teaching history the buzz word for having groups interact was "actions groups" - no doubt the internet will yield some info. The biggest challenge I see for that kind of group work with guitars in a public (generic sense) school is lack of space and each group interfering with each other. On the other hand people get used to any situation.
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