I dislike that Romance so much I'm probably never going to bother with it anyway. But that level is in any event still a long way off for me. I find even the Sor Bm more or less unplayable. I need to develop much more strength and stamina and flexibility I think, before I get anywhere within shouting distance of barre chords.Orion wrote:Romance actually has some pretty difficult barre chords for the beginner/early intermediate player, and this one in particular is difficult. I've been playing for about 3.5 years and can barre happily on other pieces (e.g. Sor's Bm) but this one is causing me difficulty as well.on the 9th measure, I come across the dreaded barre chord
This was mentioned before, but it requires that your hand and index finger be strong enough to hold the barre, which is not the case with me, and it seems lots of others also struggle with this. Seems to me one cannot get away from having to develop a minimum amount of strength and stamina in the barring hand.noamboy wrote:i don't know if this has been mentioned before, but douglas niedt has something about it on his website. The main point is that you should use the power of pushing the strings coming out of your bicep and shoulder, not out of your hand.
Yeah...those finger stretches are a killer to start with! I ended up leaving Romance alone for 6 months because I got so fed up with it, but wierdly when I came back to it those finger stretches were suddenly a lot easier. Maybe sometimes it works with piece which is slightly too advanced just to put it down for a few months and work on something else which is a bit closer to one's level.I can practice it until I get a cramp in my hand, and it still buzzes! Then it doesnt get any easier in the major part after that. There are some killer finger stretches! I do like the piece so I am persisting with it.
As I noticed when I tried Gallagher's ideas: I simply do not have enough strength in my straight finger to hold down the barre, whether I squeeze with my hand or use the weight of my arm or whatever. Which means that I need to develop a bit more strength and stamina in specific muscles in the left hand. I don't think there is any getting around that. I also think that barre chords are like math: it really, genuinely, is difficult and one does not do students a favour by telling them it's easy.15407 wrote:The Kevin Gallagher vid is indispensable, and he does underscore one glaring feature of Barres’: you need to expend significant quantities of blood, sweat, and tears for several months until the technique is firmly established.
Forget al the malarkey spewed about ‘…use the weight of the arm’, and other such nonsense; at the end of the day, it’s all about force and muscular endurance:
Torque = FlSin(Theta), or roughly Fl when theta is Pi/2. There’s no sidestepping the force required to produce the minimum torque.
This thread has now become so complicated I can't work out which exercise you are referring to above. Which message was it?Cherubini wrote: I think the best exercise on this thread is the four-note bar moved up and down the fret board from 6 to 1 and back to 6. That's probably the most challenging bar we'll ordinarily come across, and that simple exercise will strengthen the hand muscles.
THIS one: (clip)brianvds wrote:This thread has now become so complicated I can't work out which exercise you are referring to above. Which message was it?Cherubini wrote: I think the best exercise on this thread is the four-note bar moved up and down the fret board from 6 to 1 and back to 6. That's probably the most challenging bar we'll ordinarily come across, and that simple exercise will strengthen the hand muscles.
Hee! Hee! that's me.Cherubini wrote:THIS one: (clip)
.............. "Now, may i add a simple process I teach my students to master barre chords?
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