I guess all those jazz lovers are masochists.glassynails wrote: When someone plays a very dissonant chord people will usually think of that chord as "unsettling", "ugly", "noisy", etc. The reason is that it is dissonant and is pulling us in various "directions" musically, it creates strife and anxiety in our minds.
stevel wrote:Patently untrue.
I think the absence of the consonance and dissonance dualism is the reason a lot of people do not enjoy too much contemporary music (atonal, serialism etc.).glassynails wrote:Just think, all music is composed of consonance and dissonance. When a chord "pulls" you into the next chord there is dissonance and when it resolves to the next chord there is consonance.
When a piece of music usually ends first there is some dissonance and finally a resolve to consonance.
When someone plays a very dissonant chord people will usually think of that chord as "unsettling", "ugly", "noisy", etc. The reason is that it is dissonant and is pulling us in various "directions" musically, it creates strife and anxiety in our minds.
Humans generally don't like dissonance because of that "push and pull" and don't like to hang out there long and that's why music works if you stop and think about it because of all the "push and pull" going on. If it wasn't for dissonance and consonance there wouldn't be music just monotony.
Exactly.glassynails wrote:stevel wrote:Patently untrue.
Yeah, but even a simple melody has tension and release I think. One note can be dissonant when related to another in a separate space and time. Sort of like the sound of one hand clapping. It still all has to do with tension and release, which is what dissonance and consonance are all about.
Well, it is made up of sound and silence...and a whole bunch of other things. Just sound and silence is not music necessarily, but I'm not sure that's what you're really saying Scot...although the way you said it is quite poetic.Scot Tremblay wrote:I thought music was made up of sound and silence. Consonance and dissonance are merely the steps in the dance between sound and silence...
More specific, maybe. The standard explanation of dissonance is that it is caused by beating between two frequencies. If you search for just intonation lissajous on YT you will find an explanation of beating and some demonstrations.
I don't really understand this. I wouldn't call a 10th dissonant but I think you have to let the ear judge how much the notes clash. I wouldn't say that they do in the case of a 10th or a perfect 12th, although the 10th has more personality. A diminished 12th definitely clashes. This is more or less in line with how much the intervals in question beat, which is what makes the beating theory plausible. The trouble is that a diminished 12th in a low register beats less than (say) a minor third in a high register, but is more dissonant, so beating can't be the whole story.I have been reading some texts books that says some intervals are dissonant, and that dissonance goes on intervals up to 13th (the 6th from the next octave). So why is that dissonance goes until 13th but not 14th ? Why 10th(octave above 3th) is dissonant but 12th(octave above 5th) not Why some intervals render a chord dissonant and others not ?
Up to you to come up with it, then. The physical answer isn't very convincing. I think that it is important to distinguish between auditory phenomena and musical phenomena, and that any theory which fails to draw this distinction is unlikely to get very far. Beating is an auditory phenomenon so I am not surprised to find that dissonance, which is a musical phenomenon, is related but not the same. Perhaps what I mean by musical rather than auditory is the same as what you mean by physical-aesthetic.There must be a answer that is partially physical-aesthetical(must resolve tension thing and maybe other matters).
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