Denian Arcoleo wrote:
Write_Rich wrote: - I suspect there is a decent Middle Eastern influence in Flamenco if you dig deep enough. I'm a classical guitarist so I am a little rough on my theory and history when it comes to Flamenco so correct me if I am wrong.
Indeed there is. The Moors brought most of Spain under Islamic rule in the 8th century. They brought instruments with them like the oud, which was (correct me if I'm wrong) an ancestor of the guitar.
Denian - I'd suggest its wrong to say the oud is an ancestor of the guitar, their lineages to my understanding are separate, despite some cross-over in that players on the one sometimes also played the other.
Re Moorish rule, not only did they rule Spain for 8 centuries or so, the Andalusian gypsies are of course originally from India, so from their origins, from their migration routes through historical middle-east and southern/eastern Europe, and their life at or near the bottom of the ladder in Moorish Spain, they had good cause to pick up a very arabic sounding sound both in note-choices and vocal delivery.
As pointed out elsewhere, some of the scales used in flamenco are related to those found in middle-eastern musics, and as I also like to point out, a scale is an abstraction of musical practice, and not something the creators of these styles set out to use.
I like to raise the subject of raga Bhairev (various spellings available) which is typically, starting on E; E, F, Gsharp, A, B, C, D sharp, E, and as a scale is also found in flamenco, and the music of eastern-European gypsy cultures too.