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Re: driverless cars

Post by Andrew Pohlman » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:41 pm

Ramon Amira wrote:
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Dofpic wrote:
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Maybe in NYC. Not out here in Montana!
You're kidding yourself. This will be regulated by the federal government, not the states. Being in Montana won't help you. Remember - Big Brother is watching you.
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Um, if Big Brother knows I'm drunk and being driven home safely, I'm okay with that. If I need to get to the hospital fast, I want emergency services to know. If a terrorist is tracked, so be it. If I plan a trip from SF to Grand Canyon, and I'm tracked as I cross state lines, who cares? I'm not important enough for the government to pay attention to. If they track me, they'll die of boredom.

If you are worried, don't use a driverless vehicle. Oh wait, you'll have to limit yourself to 1966 VW Bugs, because any new vehicles will track your movements whether the car pilots itself or you do.

There are advantages and disadvantages, it's true. My personal feeling is that the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages.
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Re: driverless cars

Post by simonm » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:43 pm

One of the things I find curious today is the amount of money still being poured into roads.

Regardless of my feelings about the control aspect (the big brother bit is already done and dusted - mobile phones with GPS, Fitbits, and all the other "helping" technology ) driverless vehicles are inevitable. Driverless cars need far less space than conventional vehicles - you could easily drive 3 lanes where there are now two. (On some roads maybe even 4 lanes).

Logically the advent of driverless cars should see major road building in the developed world stopping - however at least here in Germany the car lobby and its related applecart is so strong that money will keep pouring into projects that logically are not necessary. Many of the issues here could be alleviated with speed limits for both cars and commercial vehicles. The huge East-West/North-South commercial traffic puts a vast load on the Germany road network. On the few days of the year when there is no commercial traffic (last Sunday was one) and no long distance commuters, some roads are virtually empty compared to their "normal" capacity.

The bit that challenges the conventional car makers is the implicit ownership change as driverless vehicles by definition imply a taxi/rental type model, at least in urban areas. Even Tesla will be challenged by this. Sitting in traffic or circling looking for parking in a status symbol gets tiresome very quickly if there is pretty much instant availability of an automatic vehicle to take you where ever you want with no worries about parking. One possibility is a two tier system: driverless for the plebs and reserved road space for the elite (net worth $100 million or more) to use whatever vehicle they want.

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Re: driverless cars

Post by Andrew Pohlman » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:47 pm

simonm wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:43 pm
... The bit that challenges the conventional car makers is the implicit ownership change ...
When I was a teenager, driving was considered as important as literacy - maybe more so, as you only needed to be functionally literate to work in a factory or do manual labor, but you MUST drive to work. Additionally, my mother told me a story that she was made to sit on the floor at school because she wore a uniform and a rich girl wore expensive clothes and was afforded a private space at the desk.

You are quite correct. This "ownership change" you cite changes everything. It will take time. But cars will stop being the status symbols they are now. Of course, the wealthy will continue to separate themselves from the riffraff. Racing will continue - after all, existing autonomous robotic soccer teams have not yet replaced the humans! :D

From an engineering perspective, there will be less investment in styling and more into safety, efficiency, and optimizing designs such as cooperative operational software. And it must be industrial secrets or something, but I cannot find info on how a driverless car handles mud on the cameras. :D Here is an article showing how Ford's research can now see through falling rain and snow. But mud covering the camera? Good luck with that.
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Re: driverless cars

Post by tgwilt » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:38 pm

I would like to have one because some days my brain just goes on vacation and I feel like I'm in the middle of a cotton ball. I try to avoid driving on those days as I don't think I'm driving safely.

As an investment thing, if ownership of regular automobiles is going to follow the fate of the dodo bird, Now is the time to buy a good used car and hold on to it. In 25 years or so you'll be able to sell it for much more than you paid. Does anyone else remember when new cars cost $1500 or so and a brand new Caddie was $3000? I remember looking at new cars in a lot in the town where I lived and those were the prices. Granted, this was in the early to mid 1960s.
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Re: driverless cars

Post by Andrew Pohlman » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:53 pm

tgwilt wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:38 pm
... hold on to it. In 25 years or so you'll be able to sell it for much more than you paid. ...
Yah - that and my stash of incandescent light bulbs. :D In reality I agree with you. Cars that a human can actually drive will be collector's items. And people who are licensed to drive will be rare. Well, maybe more than 25 years for that! :D
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Re: driverless cars

Post by tgwilt » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:56 pm

Andrew Pohlman wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:53 pm
tgwilt wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:38 pm
... hold on to it. In 25 years or so you'll be able to sell it for much more than you paid. ...
Yah - that and my stash of incandescent light bulbs. :D In reality I agree with you. Cars that a human can actually drive will be collector's items. And people who are licensed to drive will be rare. Well, maybe more than 25 years for that! :D
At my age, I won't be around to find out.
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