Jeffrey Armbruster wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:55 am
"I suppose there's something a bit existentialist about Truemmerliteratur..."
I don't know what this is; if you don't mind, can you expand a little?
And I'm curious about how you'd translate into English Boll's German attempt at 'mumbling'. Or maybe the phrase as a whole. Who could blame him if the phrase left him mystified? Plus, a translator would have to be intrigued by the notion of a 'mumbling word'. That's every compromise a translator has to make in his craft!
He doesn't attempt 'mumbling', that was my point: "Und sagte kein einziges Wort" is literally "and didn't say a single word". Perhaps he was just translating from whatever version of the New Testament he used and didn't fully understand the song's lyrics.
But the rest was just rambling, as I had no idea what existentialist music was supposed to be and didn't see why I should be the one to be coherent! (lol)
Rognvald's explanation is good enough to remind me why I never bothered much with existentialism.
At the time I was reading it I was also reading R D Laing and I just lost interest in that kind of philosophy for never taking psychology into account.
Sisyphus can easily enough be interpreted as the Greeks' view of what life on this planet is like for humans - a hard slog with only death at the end of it (or not, if you are immortal). But Sartre doesn't go anywhere near this. His view is just one tendentious poetic interpretation among many. He involves Kant (German reception of Plato) so as to make his poetry look like that kind of philosophy. Kant was popular in France - Picasso used him - he never read him, just listened to people discussing him in cafés (before WWI). Schopenhauer was more recent than Kant, but the Franco-Prussian war would have made Schopenhauer unpopular with the French, I suppose. You can argue that a painter painting phenomena was more interested in doing it if there was a ding an sich underlying them than if there was an idea or a will, but there were spiritual painters who'd have had the opposite view. But Picasso wasn't one of them.
The real interest in studying that kind of philosophy is in examining the reception of Plato and how people mould him to their current circumstances. At the moment, in that respect, physics is overshadowing that kind of philosophy, I suppose.
Adolescents get over their angst. But Sartre reified it. Ugh, gimme a break.
1975 Calatayud y Gisbert, Yamaha CG131S.