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A different food thread

Post by simonm » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:03 pm

How you every reviewed the food you eat in one day or a week can worked where it came from?
You might be surprise just how restricted the sources are.



2004 FAO Report: "What is Agrodiversity." (Read it about a week ago - Scary).

* Today, 75 percent of the world’s food is generated from only 12 plants and five animal species.


For example so far today I have had food from

Cow (milk, cheese)*
Hen (egg)(bakery item)
Oats*
Wheat*
Sugar (bakery item)*
Unknown fats( bakery item)*
Raisins (bakery item)
Cherrys
Nectarine
Coffee

So just 10 sources with almost all the calories from 5 sources*.

I expect by the end of the day I will have added maybe 5 more as we will have some salad in a while but the calorie balance won't change much.

Discounting chemicals (petroleum?) and flavorings in prepared items I doubt if often have food from more than 15 sources on any one day. Over the year I suppose 95% of my calorie intake from maybe 4 to 6 items and 99.5% from maybe 20-30 items (pure guess). Frightening really. Ironically, the more developed the location, the more restricted the diet may be. Since I read the report I have been trying to make sure that I get a little more variety. Much to be said for a little plot of ground.

How many sources do you eat from on a routine basis?

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Re: A different food thread

Post by pogmoor » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:01 pm

simonm wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:03 pm
How many sources do you eat from on a routine basis?
Difficult to say as my diet varies a lot from day to day. Today I have eaten/drunk:
Milk and cheese
Rye (bread)
Wheat (in cake)
Eggs (in cake)
Sugar (in marmalade and cake)
Sunflower seeds
Celery
Oranges (in marmalade and as fruit)
Apples
Grapes (as fruit and in wine)
Strawberries
Banana
Chocolate
Coffee
Tea

and I had a stir fry containing:
Onions
Garlic
Sweetcorn
Mushrooms
Peas
2 types of bean
Capsicums
Broccoli
Spinach
Olive oil
and accompanied with rice.

I make that 26 sources. Within recent days I have eaten: potatoes, pork/ham, beef, lamb, chicken, radish, lettuce (and mixed salad leaves), buckwheat, quinoa, walnuts, almonds, cashew nuts, peanuts, pine nuts, coconut, pecan nuts, hazel nuts and pistachio nuts - that's 18 more.

It's easy to get by on just a few food sources, but modern life permits access to a hugely greater variety of food sources than would have been the case 100 years ago!
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Re: A different food thread

Post by montana » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:21 am

Only the basic four for me today. Candy , candy canes, candy corn and syrup

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Re: A different food thread

Post by Andrew Pohlman » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:03 pm

montana wrote:
Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:21 am
Only the basic four for me today. Candy , candy canes, candy corn and syrup
How come you nobody knows the basic food groups?

Sugar
Caffeine
Salt
Fat
Alcohol

This makes the Irish Coffee the near perfect food. All you need is to add a little salt. :D

All kidding aside, as a Nurse Educator, I try to practice what I preach. I have an enormously varied diet. Too many items to list here.

In nutrition training, it may be counter intuitive, but athletes are some of the worst! They eat the same items every day! They think varying the diet will mess them up. The opposite is true. As we all know, a varied diet is the best for us and the planet.
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Re: A different food thread

Post by simonm » Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:49 pm

Andrew Pohlman wrote:
Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:03 pm
…. I try to practice what I preach. I have an enormously varied diet. Too many items to list here.
...
No need to list but can you put a ball park on the number of sources for a day or a week and maybe mention a few less common sources in the last week?

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Re: A different food thread

Post by Andrew Pohlman » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:08 pm

simonm wrote:
Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:49 pm
Andrew Pohlman wrote:
Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:03 pm
…. I try to practice what I preach. I have an enormously varied diet. Too many items to list here....
No need to list but can you put a ball park on the number of sources for a day or a week and maybe mention a few less common sources in the last week?
Okay - I'll try.

Last two weeks:
Fresh fruits and berries - grapes, apples, oranges, blueberries, peaches, pineapple, Logan berries, strawberries,
Assorted whole grains - oats, wheat, kamut, rice, corn, barley, quinoa,
Assorted animal flesh - pork, beef, chicken, salmon, cod, mahi mahi, trout
Veggies - various lettuces, celery, carrots, broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, chard, onion, bell pepper, hot peppers of all kinds
All kinds of spuds - mashed, fried, baked and in spud salad
Cheeses - bleu, fontina, cheddar, jack, mozzarella, brie, Gouda, goat, schloss
Alcohol - cognac, various beers, various wines, various sake, Madeira, port

I try not to eat too much at any one sitting, but I eat well. Every meal is an adventure in pairings, color, flavors, and nutritional content. I take the Chinese philosophy of cooking - ponder how much you love the people who will eat the food while you are preparing it!
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Re: A different food thread

Post by montana » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:07 am

Andrew Pohlman wrote:
Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:03 pm
montana wrote:
Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:21 am
Only the basic four for me today. Candy , candy canes, candy corn and syrup
How come you nobody knows the basic food groups?

Sugar
Caffeine
Salt
Fat
Alcohol

This makes the Irish Coffee the near perfect food. All you need is to add a little salt. :D

All kidding aside, as a Nurse Educator, I try to practice what I preach. I have an enormously varied diet. Too many items to list here.

In nutrition training, it may be counter intuitive, but athletes are some of the worst! They eat the same items every day! They think varying the diet will mess them up. The opposite is true. As we all know, a varied diet is the best for us and the planet.
Imagine the super Human you would create void of that diet !

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Re: A different food thread

Post by wchymeus » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:31 am

simonm wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:03 pm

2004 FAO Report: "What is Agrodiversity." (Read it about a week ago - Scary).

* Today, 75 percent of the world’s food is generated from only 12 plants and five animal species.

5 animal species... hmm... ok:

1. Mammals (cow, pig, etc.)
2. Birds (chicken, ...)
3. Fish

and 2 others
4. Amphibians ... Frogs? Leg frogs???? Are the French ruling the world again?
and 5th... you pick between invertebrates and reptiles; ok, I admit it, I BBQed rattle snakes once... ah, snails maybe? or is it insects?
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Re: A different food thread

Post by pogmoor » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:53 am

wchymeus wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:31 am
* Today, 75 percent of the world’s food is generated from only 12 plants and five animal species.

5 animal species... hmm... ok:

1. Mammals (cow, pig, etc.)
2. Birds (chicken, ...)
3. Fish

and 2 others
4. Amphibians ... Frogs? Leg frogs???? Are the French ruling the world again?
and 5th... you pick between invertebrates and reptiles; ok, I admit it, I BBQed rattle snakes once... ah, snails maybe? or is it insects?
The report said 5 animal species; you seem to be looking for 5 animal orders :?
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Re: A different food thread

Post by simonm » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:16 am

Quite interesting. Thank you. I have reduced to the list to sources and it is much greater than mine.
Andrew Pohlman wrote:
Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:08 pm

EDITED SOURCES
Last two weeks:
Fresh fruits and berries - 8
Assorted whole grains - 7
Assorted animal flesh - 7
Veggies - 10+s
All kinds of spuds -1
Cheeses - 1 (cow already include in the meat section - so goat=1 extra source)
Alcohol - 0 grapes and grains already included in the earlier headings.
So a quite respectable 34+/- total of sources.

If we look at the main calorie intake then it is broader based than mine, spread over maybe 15 sources (the grains and the animals) but at a guess "cow" is your number one food source (beef and the bulk of the cheese and as you mention spuds, I assume butter may also come into the mix.).

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Re: A different food thread

Post by simonm » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:31 am

pogmoor wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:53 am

The report said 5 animal species; you seem to be looking for 5 animal orders :?
Indeed, but unfortunately they did not mention which ones - I assume it was in one the sources docs if you followed it up. I would imagine the top three are pig, chickens and cattle as these seem to be worldwide.

From a western perspective maybe sheep would be the next but I really don't know. Western/Middle Eastern culture tends to lump all fish together rather than look at species. If lumped together then fish might make it into the top 5, if done species then not.

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Re: A different food thread

Post by wchymeus » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:36 am

pogmoor wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:53 am

The report said 5 animal species; you seem to be looking for 5 animal orders :?
Then that seems like a very small number :D
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Re: A different food thread

Post by simonm » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:59 am

wchymeus wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:36 am
pogmoor wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:53 am

The report said 5 animal species; you seem to be looking for 5 animal orders :?
Then that seems like a very small number :D
That is in fact the whole point of the particular report. :-)

Our food comes from very few sources. In fact the short report omits one point that makes it even narrower - a large portion of animal fodder for industrial meat production is mainly soya and corn.

I never actually counted my sources until I read the report and was shocked to see how restricted my diet is. Of those that have reported here I am bottom of the pack. :-(

It will be interesting to see if anyone beats me at the bottom of the pack.

We often have the illusion that we have variety (100's cheeses) but in fact that would be 1-3 sources. Cow, sheep, goat and in many countries just one of the three accounts for the bulk. In Germany, you might have 20 different schnitzels and 100 different sausages but in the end it is pig meat. Industrial meat production also means that the bulk of the animal feed is from soya and maize(corn) and not much else.

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Re: A different food thread

Post by Andrew Pohlman » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:39 pm

Hey! I forgot to list legumes, fungi, and bacteria! Now that I have more time, let me flesh out my list.

" If it's not a flower, a stem, a seed, a stalk or a root, it's gotta be a fruit! But they forgot about fungi ! "

Please add to my list:
mushrooms of all kinds (fungi)
Legumes - all kinds of beans, lentils, peanuts, soy (it's in everything nowadays)
tree nuts of all kinds - actually seeds, but many consider them fruit
all the marvelous bacteria in yogurt and kefir
- bacteria are usually part of dairy products ... I don't think anybody eats plain bacteria ... maybe.
Algae - I eat a lot of seaweed which is an algae! Hoorah for algae! I'm gonna have some right now with my miso soup!!!
koji mold - it rides on brown rice - but I eat it for the koji !
Turnips and cabbages
bass - another fish species
shrimp, crab - crustaceans - usually on my list with either sushi or ginger and shrimp soup

Less frequently and more than two weeks ago:
More animal species - rabbit, buffalo, alligator, duck, ostrich

In New Orleans I had a marvelous Étouffée made with alligator meat, and rabbit/duck sausage! Also had a buffalo burger while there.
In the Lucerne Valley (the dry lake bed area) there is an ostrich burger joint. Yummy. A ton of ostrich burger joints in the Sacramento area too.

My God - when I stop and think about it, my original statement is very true - I have a enormously varied diet!
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Re: A different food thread

Post by simonm » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:30 pm

@ Andrew.
zoöphagy ?
but you are doing well on the plant front too.

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