Thirteen ways of looking at a blackbird.Andrew Fryer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:17 pmYes and no.
There are those vegans who see corruption in the meat industry and are too stupid to realise that if the world were vegan, there'd be twice as much corruption in the vegan industries, by dint of their being twice the size of the current meat industries.
In terms of the food pyramid, we are apex predators in nature and base feeders in number. Normally apex predators are rare. Whatever catastrophe or dynamic equilibrium this will eventually lead to will be a mathematical not a moral phenomenon.
Well, I don't know about that, but certainly squeamishness is a dodgy basis for any argument for vegetariansim. I certainly wouldn't hunt or fish unless I were going to eat what I killed.
My own thinking is not to stop anything except my own participation in it. I'm fully aware that my abstaining from pornography isn't going to shut down the porn industry either.MessyTendon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:49 pmThe idea that converting to a vegan diet is going to stop the ravages of industrialized agriculture is a rather crude pretense. One can't simply start drinking soy milk and make the world a magical place...or eat palm shortened fats, that's hardly sustainable.
It could be that one man's "squeamishness" is another man's "compassion". If that's to be banned on religious/political grounds then let's not breathe a word anywhere on the forum about such things as helping out the less fortunate either.Andrew Fryer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:09 pmWell, I don't know about that, but certainly squeamishness is a dodgy basis for any argument for vegetariansim. I certainly wouldn't hunt or fish unless I were going to eat what I killed.
I try to avoid the processed 'vegan' foods. Can't do that 100% but there you have it.simonm wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:52 pmIn Germany vegan is a food-fashion/fashion-diet more than a philosophy. A personality cook had a hit with a series entitled something like "vegan for fit" (i.e. pseudo-english/newspeak title). The bio/organic convenience industry jumped on it and there are vast numbers of "vegan" products. The word vegan is appearing on all sorts of stuff that is clearly plant based much in the same way as a bag of walnuts or almonds will have the warning message "May contain nuts". Vegan bottled water?
When you look at the list of ingredients on some of the vegan products you have to wonder who is better off, the person buying the "organic bio" product or the person getting the turkey salami with the beetroot juice and dextrose etc …
Meanwhile, having looked up a recipe for the Hemp/Flax milk, I realized that pretty much any oil seed could be used in the same way. The prerequisite is of course that you have a blender, which we don't.
Maybe I should try a vegan week sometime. Wouldn't be all that difficult if I put my mind to it. Curiously, when I am in Menorca, the only reasonably priced restaurant that suits our eating habits and which I would classify as very good does quite a lot of vegan stuff. Unfortunately, it is not in the village we usually stay in. Olive oil chocolate truffles with sea salt made in the restaurant … mmm
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