Has classical music got the world's lowest talent-earnings ratio?

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Re: Has classical music got the world's lowest talent-earnings ratio?

Post by Denian Arcoleo » Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:45 pm

Andrew Fryer wrote:
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- there's at least one theatre now where they have an orchestra, but the string sections are played on a synthesiser.
A couple of years ago I went to the Matthew Bourne production of Swan Lake at the Bristol Hippodrome. Top British dance company, world famous choreographer, amazing dancing, super venue, music played on a CD!

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Re: Has classical music got the world's lowest talent-earnings ratio?

Post by Andrew Fryer » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:23 pm

I saw Nutcracker! at Wimbledon, but I don't recall where the music came from - I guess a CD, but at the time it didn't strike me as remarkable. Maybe because I didn't know what to expect from a modern production?
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Re: Has classical music got the world's lowest talent-earnings ratio?

Post by AndreiKrylov » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:52 pm

Denian Arcoleo wrote:
Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:38 pm
ddray wrote:
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but unfortunately the audience attention span is about 3 seconds and only glitz and junk can get even those 3 seconds.
That does appear to be true. In my view it's a big problem for society as a whole. The inability to concentrate on anything for more than a few minutes (if you're lucky( doesn't bode well. The internet isn't helping.
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Re: Has classical music got the world's lowest talent-earnings ratio?

Post by ddray » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:46 pm

AndreiKrylov wrote:
Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:52 pm
Denian Arcoleo wrote:
Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:38 pm
ddray wrote:
Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:05 pm
but unfortunately the audience attention span is about 3 seconds and only glitz and junk can get even those 3 seconds.
That does appear to be true. In my view it's a big problem for society as a whole. The inability to concentrate on anything for more than a few minutes (if you're lucky( doesn't bode well. The internet isn't helping.
I disagree.
People are listening.
They listen music more than ever before nowadays...
and they could listen anywhere because of mobile devices.
Yeah, but are they listening, or just hearing?

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Re: Has classical music got the world's lowest talent-earnings ratio?

Post by Adrian Allan » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:51 pm

They listen, but in the comfort of their own home on Youtube.
Going to a concert is great, but it takes effort and money.

15 years ago, I had probably only "seen" around 30 classical guitarists playing their instrument.

Now, thanks to Youtube, I have seen countless hundreds.

So video streaming has a lot to answer for.
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Re: Has classical music got the world's lowest talent-earnings ratio?

Post by ddray » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:02 pm

Adrian Allan wrote:
Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:51 pm
They listen, but in the comfort of their own home on Youtube.
Going to a concert is great, but it takes effort and money.

15 years ago, I had probably only "seen" around 30 classical guitarists playing their instrument.

Now, thanks to Youtube, I have seen countless hundreds.

So video streaming has a lot to answer for.
You're right, the atmosphere is probably over-saturated. It's the same with all the arts and entertainment. When I was a kid there were 3 TV channels. That was it. And everybody who watched had a common frame of reference. Now it's 70 channels of mostly junk. Going to the theater to see a movie was an event, and popular ones were held over for weeks. (I remember E.T. was held over for months.) I remember people standing in line outside record shops when Springsteen's Born in the USA was released. Maybe it's because the more you get of something and the easier it is to get it, the less you appreciate it.

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Re: Has classical music got the world's lowest talent-earnings ratio?

Post by AndreiKrylov » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:32 pm

ddray wrote:
Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:02 pm
Adrian Allan wrote:
Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:51 pm
They listen, but in the comfort of their own home on Youtube.
Going to a concert is great, but it takes effort and money.

15 years ago, I had probably only "seen" around 30 classical guitarists playing their instrument.

Now, thanks to Youtube, I have seen countless hundreds.

So video streaming has a lot to answer for.
You're right, the atmosphere is probably over-saturated. It's the same with all the arts and entertainment. When I was a kid there were 3 TV channels. That was it. And everybody who watched had a common frame of reference. Now it's 70 channels of mostly junk. Going to the theater to see a movie was an event, and popular ones were held over for weeks. (I remember E.T. was held over for months.) I remember people standing in line outside record shops when Springsteen's Born in the USA was released. Maybe it's because the more you get of something and the easier it is to get it, the less you appreciate it.
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Re: Has classical music got the world's lowest talent-earnings ratio?

Post by Rognvald » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:19 pm

Adrian Allan wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:25 pm
ddray wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:17 pm
Denian Arcoleo wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:55 pm


Yes, he must mean that.
I'm no mathematician but surely a low ratio between earnings and talent means you're getting paid commensurately for your talent. A high ratio between those two factors means you're brilliant and you're being paid peanuts.
However, seeing as talent is an unmeasurable quantity its ratio to earnings is not calculable in an actual mathematical sense.
No but I don't think precise mathematical measurement was in mind.
Totally true - for all the years of practice, probably 20,000 (never mind 10,000) hours to make it to concert standard and be at the top of your game, classical musicians are paid a pittance.

So low, that only a quasi-religious level of dedication to your art would make you choose it as a career.

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Re: Has classical music got the world's lowest talent-earnings ratio?

Post by Mickmac » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:12 am

This thread reminds me of a joke I think I heard David Russell tell:

"A concert classical guitarist wins the lottery and is asked what he will do with the money.
He replies: 'I suppose I'll just continue touring until the money runs out.'"
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Re: Has classical music got the world's lowest talent-earnings ratio?

Post by riffmeister » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:45 pm

Mickmac wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:12 am
This thread reminds me of a joke I think I heard David Russell tell:

"A concert classical guitarist wins the lottery and is asked when he will do with the money.
He replies: 'I suppose I'll just continue touring until the money runs out.'"
Lol!

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