I now want to learn the piano

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I now want to learn the piano

Post by Hany Hayek » Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:07 am

I know this is a classical guitar forum, but since we are all music lovers here, I am sure lot of members here do play several instruments including the piano. I played the violin when I was younger, I have now been playing the mandolin for the past 6 years. I started the guitar last year and I have almost finished Delcamp D02 and still going. The polyphonic sound I get from the guitar got me to be more interested in producing more sounds. I will definitely not quit either the mandolin or CG, but I am extremely eager to try the piano. Imagine what you can do with 10 fingers and a pedal :D
I have been viewing my options , my maximum is the Yamaha P45 (which is practically a piano), but I was thinking of something cheaper, either a NP12 or even cheaper a Samson carbon synthesizer with 61 keys and speed sensitivity.
I appreciate all advise on this, including advice not to go for it

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Re: I now want to learn the piano

Post by Stephen Kenyon » Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:23 am

Go for if you have the time, energy and finances to do justice to an extra instrument. As with anything having lessons and a proper instrument if you can is the best way to go - weighted keys in particular.
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Re: I now want to learn the piano

Post by PeteJ » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:35 pm

Yes, weighted keys may be the main issue. I would suggest worrying more about the keyboard mechanics than the audio gadgetry, although maybe it doesn't matter right at the start. The bugbear for CGers is the clicky right hand as nails hit the ivory.

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Post by Andrew Fryer » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:00 pm

Weighted keys vary a lot in feel, so you need to find a shop and play some. I'm lucky - in London we have the Yamaha Centre for that.
Keyboards tend to have hundreds of voices, but only 5 or 6 are really useful. (grand piano, Rhodes electric piano, church organ, hammond organ and harpsichord, basically, although I wouldn't say no to a Mellotron simulator!). Also I'd say don't buy anything with fewer than 88 keys. Ive only just noticed you mention the p45. Yes, that's probably best. I played a slightly cheaper model with 7 voices, but that had too few keys and the action could have been slightly better. The NP12 is even smaller with 61 keys.
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Re: I now want to learn the piano

Post by burtong » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:11 pm

Definitely go for it. In my opinion it is important to find an instrument that allows you to make music. I learned enough piano as a child to be able to read music and to play and sing along. But, I did not have any patience for learning where to put my 1, 2, 3 fingers on either hand in order to properly finger a piece. Fast forward many years and now that I am playing classical guitar ... I love the sound so much ... and I know that it is the instrument for me ... that I will spend hours learning the fingering of both hands.

As for piano, we have an upright piano (got it second hand) and a Yamaha with weighted keys. My children, who took lessons, prefer the feel and prefer to plan the "real" piano to the electronic keyboard. If you have a chance to get a piano see if you can find one, even second hand, and a few strong friends to move it.

Find the instrument that lets you play. And a good teacher.

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Re: I now want to learn the piano

Post by Hany Hayek » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:30 pm

Thank you for your replies and encouragement.
My findings so far are as follows:
Used pianos here are mostly antiques here and would go for + 1000 USD. They require maintenance probably twice a year.
The Yamaha 45 is a 88 weighted keys electric piano. The NP12 has 61 keys non-weighted but with speed sensitivity. The synth Samson has semi weighted 61 keys with speed sensitivity but has to be connected to a computer and it's basically a synth.
And I have to think about space. The P45 is huge.
We have a Yamaha store in Egypt where I can try both the NP12 and P45, but that would be useless as I never had either a piano or even a simple keyboard.
What I found googling is that a 61 keys keyboard starts with a C2 and ends with a C7. That should get me through most classical pieces if i am not mistaking?

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Re: I now want to learn the piano

Post by Andrew Fryer » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:37 pm

Weighted is much better than speed-sensitive. I'm more than 99% sure that the p45 will be weighted AND speed-sensitive!
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a 61 keys keyboard starts with a C2 and ends with a C7. That should get me through most classical pieces if i am not mistaking?
From memory, I think you will quickly be disappointed.
We have a Yamaha store in Egypt where I can try both the NP12 and P45, but that would be useless as I never had either a piano or even a simple keyboard.
you will immediately notice a vast difference between them. If the store is anything like London's Yamaha Centre, there will be a lot of sheet music. See if they have perhaps Satie's Gymnopédies and Gnossiennes. They have quite a large range of pitch, so you can see if 61 keys are adequate.
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Re: I now want to learn the piano

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:48 pm

I dabbled in piano when my dad still had his concert grand. I learned some Beatles tunes on it. That said, there is nothing like having a real piano, but who has the money or the room for something like that. If you get an electric make sure you have a full keyboard and weighted keys. Then, when you get a chance to play a real piano, your hands will feel like they know what they are doing. Yamaha makes good ones. I think you should definitely go for it.

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Re: I now want to learn the piano

Post by Andrew Fryer » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:50 pm

Pianos are getting cheaper here, I'm told, because people prefer the extra room keyboards give them. Unfortunately I don't have room for one of these mythical cheap pianos I keep hearing about!
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Re: I now want to learn the piano

Post by CathyCate » Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:52 pm

All the best in your new musical endeavor!

I suggest touching base with your intended music teacher/ music studio or school where you plan to take lessons. Some have requirements concerning the instrument the student will be using for regular practice.

Think positive. You should have 88 keys! Nothing is more frustrating than running out of territory or sound possibilities in the middle of learning or composing a piece.

Not all pedals are created equal. If you opt for a keyboard or electric piano, try to find a system that most closely mimics the way pedals on a real piano would work.

Visit showrooms and play a variety of instruments, so that you become aware of all the possibilities as well as the compromises.

Lastly, consider renting an instrument.
Some agreements offer options to purchase or to trade up as you progress.

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Re: I now want to learn the piano

Post by Andrew Fryer » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:48 pm

CathyCate wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:52 pm
Not all pedals are created equal. If you opt for a keyboard or electric piano, try to find a system that most closely mimics the way pedals on a real piano would work.
Yes, I'd forgotten about the pedals.
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Re: I now want to learn the piano

Post by Michael.N. » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:32 pm

I suppose you may as well go for the full 88 keys although it must be said that you are unlikely to need them for 1 or 2 years dependent on progress.
There are just so many pieces available that fit into 5 octaves. I went for the Korg B1, a basic no thrills digi piano with weighted keys. The piano sound is quite good but I'm not that impressed with the harpsichord sound on it. Don't forget that acoustic pianos can vary enormously in terms of key feel/weight.
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Re: I now want to learn the piano

Post by Andrew Fryer » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:52 pm

Michael.N. wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:32 pm
I went for the Korg B1, a basic no thrills digi piano with weighted keys. The piano sound is quite good but I'm not that impressed with the harpsichord sound on it.
I've just had a look at the Yamaha P45 demo video. Apart from the 'strings', which I never like, the harpsichord sounded poor on that too. Also they don't show you the hammond organ sound, so I'd want to see an explicit list before buying that one.

Hmm, actually, I'm glad we've had this thread, as, after checking it out on Youtube, I think I'd want something better than the P45! I remember liking its predecessor, except that that only had 72ish keys.

Some of the sounds Yamaha are offering are not genuine sounds to my ears - they are "this is a sound that an American soap opera or sitcom would call a harpsichord" conventional sounds.

It really doesn't help that the demo pianists are only capable of rock-opera, crassical, sub-Carole-King tv background music sludge.
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Re: I now want to learn the piano

Post by Michael.N. » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:30 pm

The really good digital harpsichord is the Roland C30 but that's a very specialist keyboard. It has a fortepiano and keys that probably feel more like a real harpsichord i.e. light.
I think you can connect these digital pianos to a PC and use various plug ins for more sound options.
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Re: I now want to learn the piano

Post by Andrew Fryer » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:39 pm

At the moment I'm looking at the owners manual of the Yamaha P-115. That's looking a bit better.
But I think at this mid-price range, I'm probably asking for a little bit too much. Mind, I've played Yamaha's £3,000 electric grand, and it's not perfect - I'd rather buy a reconditioned acoustic grand at that price.
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