Losing weight

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Re: Losing weight

Post by MessyTendon » Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:05 am

Weight loss should be a secondary goal. You need to focus on the end goal of re-calibrating your diet so that you can improve your life. The reason you can't exercise has much to do with what you are dealing with in the body.

An endocrine specialist might simply order a base thyroid test and say "everything looks normal keep losing weight."

What you need is also the stored Thyroid...Free TSH helps find things. Sadly most do a basic panel. It's not that the thyroid is the be all end all.

Another thing to consider is carbs, spiking triglycerides is more dangerous to cardiovascular health than fat.

Fat is your friend. High protein be it legumes or meats. Grass fed beef is better, it costs more, but it is 30 percent less of the bad stuff you don't need.

Blood sugar and heart medications are just temporary patches...If you are taking a statin drug...stop. I'm sick and tired of jerks telling me that I shouldn't tell people to stop taking drugs the doctor prescribed.

The overwhelming evidence suggests that cholesterol is good...bad cholesterol and "good" cholesterol are one in the same, just different make up chemically.

In fact there is a well cited study of thousands of heart related issues and those with higher cholesterol had a lower mortality rate.

It contradicts everything we are told about cholesterol.

I suggest you take a detailed food log of everything. Then break it it down into carb content, sugar content, and glucose content. Anything that can be seen as a spike in glucose should be monitored and adjusted. This kind of number crunching can be done without hiring a professional nutritionist or diet specialist.

They use buzz word "glycemic index" and that can often be a bunch of malarkey. America went on a low fat craze and it was fortified with sugar in place of fat.


Eat fat, get skinny.

Another thing that will cause adrenal blow out, is cosmetic products and house cleaning agents. They all disrupt the endocrine system.

Did you know the largest organ in the body is the dermis...the skin...So think about doing an inventory and looking up the chemicals.

Skin Deep web site is good, but don't take the ratings as gospel. They have an index score and generally I think i would avoid products that contain one or more ingredient that scores about 4-7...

Soaps, laundry dertegent, hand soap...anything you put on your body, that will also affect adrenals.

Look at the bigger picture. I can guarantee that you will lose more weight and feel better if you look at the entire picture.

Sadly the western medicine system offers little band aid repairs with drugs, that make numbers look good whatever that means.

My cholesterol was "high" the doc wanted to put me on a statin. My b12 levels were borderline low...and the doc wanted to put me on a proton pump inhibitor and one of the side effects is b12 absorption.

If you take an assortment of drugs, look at the clinical trial data, it's nice :) and naughty :)

The bottom is that you are working hard at weight loss, but you've got to work smarter. Compile the big picture, break it down. Adjustments in dietary behavior will net you more energy to exercise. Nobody is asking you to run a marathon, but you've got to exercise to lose weight.

Give yourself some credit, if you got from 335 to 271, you took control and did something right.

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Re: Losing weight

Post by Sanft » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:34 am

This is quite simpel. If you want to loose weight, don't eat.
I lost 25 kg in about 6 months by simply eating only every other day and no sugar at all.
This plus a bit sport. That did it.
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Re: Losing weight

Post by simonm » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:15 am

MessyTendon wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:05 am
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Look at the bigger picture. I can guarantee that you will lose more weight and feel better if you look at the entire picture.
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Give yourself some credit, if you got from 335 to 271, you took control and did something right.
I think we can summarize a lot of what has been said here as saying "lifestyle change" is the key. That is difficult. A now deceased friend from Chicago who was quite obese pointed out that he got to be obese "one milkshake at a time". So the converse is interesting too. And the OP has already shown that he can do it. almost 1.5kg a month for two years. So again congratulations on that.

I lost some weight without trying about 5 or 6 years ago**. However, the method was one that I have seen recommended: smaller plates. The same amount of food on a smaller plate makes it look more and apparently this does trick the body a bit. When I got back to "normal" sized plates after about 2 weeks I had lost a few pounds which have never come back. For some time after the event I felt fuller with less food even though initially with the smaller plates I felt hungry. So my suggestion of the day is try using a smaller dinner plate for a couple of weeks.



**for info. I was sailing offshore and for whatever reason the pots, pans and plates on the boat were relatively small. Me and one other guy (of 6) did most of the cooking but it was difficult to cook a big quantity due to the limitations so we ended up eating less. I was a bit peeved at the time but now I see it as a positive event.

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Re: Losing weight

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:16 pm

simonm wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:15 am
MessyTendon wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:05 am
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Look at the bigger picture. I can guarantee that you will lose more weight and feel better if you look at the entire picture.
(..)
Give yourself some credit, if you got from 335 to 271, you took control and did something right.
I think we can summarize a lot of what has been said here as saying "lifestyle change" is the key.

I lost some weight without trying about 5 or 6 years ago**. However, the method was one that I have seen recommended: smaller plates.
**for info. I was sailing offshore and for whatever reason the pots, pans and plates on the boat were relatively small. Me and one other guy (of 6) did most of the cooking but it was difficult to cook a big quantity due to the limitations so we ended up eating less. I was a bit peeved at the time but now I see it as a positive event.
I do use small plates. That was taught to us when I went through the weekly classes that my wife had to take prior to bariatric surgery. It does help.
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Re: Losing weight

Post by dory » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:15 am

Ok. So if you have diabetes do NOT consider a gastric sleeve. It will help you lose weight but will do NOTHING for your diabetes except that weight loss is somewhat helpful in controlling diabetes. What you want, if you go the bariatric surgery route is a gastric bypass or a bilopancreatic diversion. Both have a high rate (70-90%) of putting diabetes into remission-- including thin people with diabetes. In many cases the remission lasts even if you regain some of the weight. Google both surgeries and diabetes, as well as googling Francesco Rubino.
If you decide not to get surgery, and I understand why, be easy on yourself. A lot of people hit plateaus. A friend of mine lost 170 pounds on Weight Watchers. I am thinking of trying that. It is not as sexy to eat regular food as to eat strange food combinations but it is more sustainable. It actually sounds like you are doing a great job.
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Re: Losing weight

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:24 am

dory wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:15 am
Ok. So if you have diabetes do NOT consider a gastric sleeve. It will help you lose weight but will do NOTHING for your diabetes except that weight loss is somewhat helpful in controlling diabetes. What you want, if you go the bariatric surgery route is a gastric bypass or a bilopancreatic diversion. Both have a high rate (70-90%) of putting diabetes into remission-- including thin people with diabetes. In many cases the remission lasts even if you regain some of the weight. Google both surgeries and diabetes, as well as googling Francesco Rubino.
If you decide not to get surgery, and I understand why, be easy on yourself. A lot of people hit plateaus. A friend of mine lost 170 pounds on Weight Watchers. I am thinking of trying that. It is not as sexy to eat regular food as to eat strange food combinations but it is more sustainable. It actually sounds like you are doing a great job.
Yeah Dory, I decided not to pursue bariatric surgery. I am just going to use the old fashioned method of diet and exercise. It just didn’t make sense to me to do something so drastic, especially when, with some self discipline I could get there without it. It just takes a little longer to get there. It’s more about the journey that hitting a weight loss goal quickly, because if I don’t keep vigilant, I know I could gain it all back and then some. It’s Turkey Day, and I ate one plate today for the holiday meal. I had thought about having seconds, because it tasted so good, but after waiting about fifteen minutes, realized I wasn’t actually hungry anymore. Thanks for the info and the encouragement.

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Re: Losing weight

Post by Carlos Castilla » Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:38 am

Hello Scott,
Research "Ketogenic diet". Basically you should eat 60-70% fat, 20% protein, and the rest in carbs coming from vegetables not starches nor bread etc...
This diet is especially good for people with diabetes.
Avoid:
Sugar, bread, pasta, fruits ( yes! Bananas have about 30g of carbs and 16g of sugar, you might as well drinks Pepsi) soft drinks, candy, fruit juice (natural or bottled), milk (but you can eat lots of cheese,heavy whipped cream,and sour cream as well)
Foods that you can eat among many others:
Salmon, avocados, vegetables, mayonnaise, sour cream, cheese, etc...
You will really have to learn about how and what to eat, and also to keep track of your macros. If you do it, you will be under 200lbs in less than a year.
This diet comes along with a healthy practice called "intermittent fasting".
Just remember that what makes you fat is not saturated fats, but carbs instead. Also, even if you eat a little bit of everything with moderation but still keep eating bread, sugar, pasta, etc...you will keep gaining weight and it would require for you to work out like an athlete to lose some weight.
With the Keto diet,you don't even need to work out in order to keep the weight away.
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Re: Losing weight

Post by Jamie Esliger » Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:16 am

Congrats on the weight loss this far.

For me... what works is to not eat at night, at all. Water only. Don’t eat within 4 or 5 hours before you go to bed.

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Re: Losing weight

Post by lagartija » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:10 pm

Avoid:
Sugar, bread, pasta, fruits ( yes! Bananas have about 30g of carbs and 16g of sugar, you might as well drinks Pepsi) soft drinks, candy, fruit juice (natural or bottled), milk (but you can eat lots of cheese,heavy whipped cream,and sour cream as well)
Sugar, bread, and pasta I can agree that one can avoid as they are highly processed foods. Fruit? Absolutely not. The fiber and nutrients found in fruit (any kind) far outweigh the penalty of any sugar they may have. Even bananas...they have a type of fiber that feeds the gut bacteria you need to be healthy and slim. The sugar in fruit does not raise blood sugar levels because it is packaged with fiber. Many of the phytonutrients found in fruit (berries especially) are critical for good health. Eating whole fruit is an important part of a healthy diet.
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Re: Losing weight

Post by Michael.N. » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:31 pm

I was around 8 to 9 kg overweight, not a huge amount but it was persistent in that I've been that overweight for the best part of 12 years. I've lost 7 Kg in 10 weeks, in fact some people have told me to stop losing weight! I used the 'no diet' method! Well OK it is a form of a diet but I just cut out virtually all of the sugary stuff but rewarded myself with a great big chunk of apple pie every week or so! You do have to watch the portion sizes and the cappuccinos can creep up on you. I have a brisk walk, 3 or 4 miles every day but I was doing that even when I was overweight.
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Re: Losing weight

Post by Carlos Castilla » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:57 pm

Sugar, bread, and pasta I can agree that one can avoid as they are highly processed foods. Fruit? Absolutely not. The fiber and nutrients found in fruit (any kind) far outweigh the penalty of any sugar they may have. Even bananas...they have a type of fiber that feeds the gut bacteria you need to be healthy and slim. The sugar in fruit does not raise blood sugar levels because it is packaged with fiber. Many of the phytonutrients found in fruit (berries especially) are critical for good health. Eating whole fruit is an important part of a healthy diet.
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That's what I thought at the beginning, but alas your statement is not true for the most part. I wish it were, but it is not. Of course the fiber present in whole solid fruits makes them less harmful than drinking it's juice, because the fiber is not present in the latter for the most part. The fiber in the fruit or any other food for that matter cuts down the total carbs you ingest, but that's it. Fruits are still packed with tones of sugar and carbs. Some more than others of course.
Fruits have been marketed for years as sources of vitamins, fiber, etc...but recent research has shown that their sugar and carbs content completely outweighs any benefit they might bring to the table. One of the first type of foods people with diabetes are told to avoid is fruit. You can get your vitamins from vegetables and other sources. However, there are several fruits that are good for you due to their low levels of sugar and high fiber and healthy fats such as avocados. Blue berries are also low in sugar and high in antioxidants. There are others but the list is short.
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Re: Losing weight

Post by lagartija » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:03 pm

Fruits have been marketed for years as sources of vitamins, fiber, etc...but recent research has shown that their sugar and carbs content completely outweighs any benefit they might bring to the table.
Can you give me a journal reference for this recent research? I have not seen any papers that report such results. :-?
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Re: Losing weight

Post by Carlos Castilla » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:53 pm

Take a look at Dr. Rhonda Patrick's website and research. You will find there access to journals, essays and latest scholarship. Here is also a short article about fruit portions from the Mayo clinic:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... q-20057835

That article above is recommending ideal portions for people with diabetes. They recommend half of a banana so that the intake doesn't go over 15gms of carbs!
People eat bananas thinking they are good sources for potassium. Here are the macros of a banana:
Total Carbs 31 g
Dietary Fiber 4 g
Sugars 17 g
Protein 2 g
Potassium 0g

People eat 2 or 3 bananas plus other fruits a day even without working out thinking they are doing something for their health when in reality they just eating dessert.
Not suffering from diabetes doesn't mean that those foods are any better for you. It just means that our system can handle those foods better, nevertheless eating 2 bananas a day will contribute to make you fatter unless you are a marathon runner.
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Re: Losing weight

Post by Carlos Castilla » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:53 pm

Erasing double.post:)
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Re: Losing weight

Post by SteveL123 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:21 pm

Carlos Castilla wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:38 am
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Just remember that what makes you fat is not saturated fats, but carbs instead. Also, even if you eat a little bit of everything with moderation but still keep eating bread, sugar, pasta, etc...you will keep gaining weight and it would require for you to work out like an athlete to lose some weight.
With the Keto diet,you don't even need to work out in order to keep the weight away.
What about rice, isn't that all carbs? Asian diets consume probably 50 to 70% of their daily food intake in rice, yet you do not see a high percentage of over weight Asians. What gives?

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