Pepe Romero Strings

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Re: Pepe Romero Strings

Post by harryf » Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:02 am

Just received my set of PEPSR strings. They are supposed to be Hard Tension, but the string diameters are about the same as many low or normal tension sets. I measured (1st-6th): .028, .032, .040, .029, .035, .045. This is pretty close to the same as the D'Addario EJ45 set except for the 6th string which is .043 in the EJ45 set. This may explain why many people report that they do not feel like a high tension set. I look forward to actually trying them.
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Re: Pepe Romero Strings

Post by gabasa » Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:01 am

Wow, very interesting.

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Re: Pepe Romero Strings

Post by es335 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:49 am

Interesting and somehow strange indeed!

This is except for E6 thinner than the light tension GLOW set!? :shock:

The measures are (e1-E6) 0.029/0.033/0.041/0.029/0.035/0.042 which was re-confirmed at one spare set!
BTW the string gauges proved to be quite consistant, which is not as natural as this might appear at first sight!

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Re: Pepe Romero Strings

Post by souldier » Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:53 pm

I think it is important to remember there is more to string tension than diameter. Not all nylon strings are made equal, and often strings can achieve greater tension without increasing diameter. It is also possible for a string to feel pliable like a normal tension string, while still being higher tension such as Savarez Corum basses.

In the case of PR strings, we won't really know until someone produces some actual figures.
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Re: Pepe Romero Strings

Post by es335 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:51 pm

Sorry to object but the string diameter proved to be the most reliable parameter in my experience at least!

The diameter measurement is standardized why the figures of all string brands are comparable which is definitely not the case for published tensions.

So whenever a discrepancy occured between diameters and tensions, I found myself always right to follow the diameters, provided the published figures were correct and the strings were correctly packed as labeled, which is not so self-evident as one might believe! :wink:

BTW just switched back to the relatively tight PR GLOW strings ... that's it, really! Their homogeneity is unparalleled. Forget about any consideration where to fret a note on which string to obtain a coherent sound! :D

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Re: Pepe Romero Strings

Post by souldier » Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:02 pm

es335 wrote:Sorry to object but the string diameter proved to be the most reliable parameter in my experience at least!

The diameter measurement is standardized why the figures of all string brands are comparable which is definitely not the case for published tensions.

So whenever a discrepancy occured between diameters and tensions, I found myself always right to follow the diameters, provided the published figures were correct and the strings were correctly packed as labeled, which is not so self-evident as one might believe! :wink:

BTW just switched back to the relatively tight PR GLOW strings ... that's it, really! Their homogeneity is unparalleled. Forget about any consideration where to fret a note on which string to obtain a coherent sound! :D
Other than measuring the diameter, do you have any means of measuring the actual tension value of the string?
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Re: Pepe Romero Strings

Post by es335 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:30 pm

That's a good question! Tension measurement on its own is reliable, of course but without a standardized test setup and test conditions for string tension, which are accepted and applied by all manufacturers, these figures are only directly comparable within the same brand. I do remember that Robert (rojarosguitar) had started a thread about a test bench for string tension measurement but can't remember how it ended up?

Finally it's my personal experience that diameters had always been less misleading than tension figures. :wink:

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Re: Pepe Romero Strings

Post by SteveL123 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:01 pm

I just looked at https://www.stringsbymail.com/search/re ... g&sortby=5 and it is bewildering the number of brands/ strings within a brand that is available. What is the classical string business like, as in who actually makes them in the US/ Europe /Asia? I can't imagine each brand has their own machines and make their own strings. The treble strings are mono-filament while the bass strings are wound, very different construction methods requiring totally different machines. Please enlighten me.

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Re: Pepe Romero Strings

Post by gabasa » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:53 pm

I may be totally wrong, but here's my take on it.

I would imagine that all the larger string companies, such as D'Addario, La Bella, Hannabach or Pyramid have their own machinery. I think that even some of the smaller companies, like Knobloch, also have their own machinery.

There are cases however, in which production is outsourced. I'd love to know the real answer to this.

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Re: Pepe Romero Strings

Post by Pede » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:53 pm

I tried a set of Rectified trebles from Pepe Romero and the e and de b strings were both out of tune.
Don't think I buy PR strings the next time, or did I have bad luck?
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Re: Pepe Romero Strings

Post by es335 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:54 am

Pede wrote:I tried a set of Rectified trebles from Pepe Romero and the e and de b strings were both out of tune.
Don't think I buy PR strings the next time, or did I have bad luck?
That's very strange as rectified trebles should have better intonation than non-rectified trebles.
Could you describe your problem a bit more detailed?!

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Re: Pepe Romero Strings

Post by SteveL123 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:22 pm

Pardon me but what is and how do you rectify treble strings?

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Re: Pepe Romero Strings

Post by soltirefa » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:07 pm

If Pepe Romero strings were called ACME strings instead, would they be as good?
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Re: Pepe Romero Strings

Post by kertsopoulos » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:13 pm

Pede wrote:I tried a set of Rectified trebles from Pepe Romero and the e and de b strings were both out of tune.
Don't think I buy PR strings the next time, or did I have bad luck?
Hello Pede, to be really certain that the strings are out of tune and actually cannot be put on the guitar one has to be very careful to iron the string properly within one's fingers from the bridge up to the tuning peg while the string has passed through the hole of the tuning peg but is completely loose. We make a knot of the string at the bridge, we pass the string into the hole of the tuning peg but we do not as yet make a knot or we do not re-pass as yet the string to the hole of the peg. We leave the string completely loose, we then by holding the string tight in our working hand we start from the bridge and we pass our hand up to the tuning peg and we notice that the string starts to unwind because by being in an envelope wound in order to fit in the envelope, the string is not straight in its traveling tuned molecular direction, it is twisted. We repeat the move for another four times or even more until we feel that the string has been straightened out in its whole entity from the bridge to the tuning peg and once this is done, we then make a knot or re-pass the string again into the tuning peg and we proceed with tuning. Any string, even the best, if not straightened out before it is tuned by this manner described will be out of tune because the string has been twisted in the wounded-curled up manner that has been imposed on it so that it fits in the envelope. This technique should be applied on all the strings being put on a guitar, once they are taken from an envelope but the first and second strings are most sensitive to being twisted and eventually to produce the effect of out of tune. I would kindly suggest to you to try to tune the strings again by using this method because the strings might be good. Maybe they are not good but the only way you can be certain is to try the above method, all best, Yorgos

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Re: Pepe Romero Strings

Post by Michael.N. » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:19 pm

gabasa wrote:I may be totally wrong, but here's my take on it.

I would imagine that all the larger string companies, such as D'Addario, La Bella, Hannabach or Pyramid have their own machinery. I think that even some of the smaller companies, like Knobloch, also have their own machinery.

There are cases however, in which production is outsourced. I'd love to know the real answer to this.
String winding machines are not necessarily complex. Nor are the milling/rectifying machines. Both are within the tooling of very small string makers. Don't forget that they could do this stuff several hundred years ago.
The manufacture of nylon or nylon floss is almost certainly left to specialists who extrude it for numerous applications, of which guitar strings are just one.
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