Dogal Maestrale

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Dogal Maestrale

Post by Theo » Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:45 pm

Has anyone tried the new Dogal Maestrale strings yet?

Wonder what is being used for the trebles - nylon, titanium, something else!

They sure are pricey!

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Re: Dogal Maestrale

Post by Brandon Walker » Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:09 pm

I had this same question. I read the description, and was thinking about trying them, but after looking into it I ordered the Infinito set instead - an even pricier option, but here's why.

After SBM, I looked at Dogal's site, to find that they are currently on holiday. I then looked up Giacomo Parimbelli, who is credited with developing the Infinito set. My Italian reading skills are not that great, and google translate leaves a bit to be desired, but between the two, I became intrigued by two things: firstly, on the Dogal website, the description states that the 4th string in the set belongs to the treble grouping, not the bass. The 5th string is a 'doorway' to the full-bass 6th string.

Secondly, I looked up an interview with Parimbelli, who says that often guitar strings are developed with volume as a consideration, whereas he believes that the beauty of the sound is more important than the volume of it, and that a perfectly pitched note should not require volume in order to be heard properly. Dogal offered him the opportunity to do this. (Patches of this are my loose, cross-referenced translation.)

At that, I was ready to say, 'Shut up and take my money!'

I ordered a set of soft tension Infinito yesterday from SBM; the Maestrale will have to wait.

I have a fortnight to wait myself -I am in Scotland. :|
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Re: Dogal Maestrale

Post by celestemcc » Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:51 pm

Very interested to hear what you think of them! I hear they make outstanding mandolin strings, but have not yet heard of the guitar strings.
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Re: Dogal Maestrale

Post by eyedoc » Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:42 pm

I love the Dogal Diamante strings and have used them for several years. They sound great and last a long time as well.
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Re: Dogal Maestrale

Post by segobreawill » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:15 pm

I did try the Dogal Diamante (hard tension) a while back. They were great strings - soft as far as hard tension strings are concerned! They were an absolute pleasure to play. A little pricey. I will have to buy another set some point soon.

I don't know about the Maestrale strings though, nor the Infinito.

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Re: Dogal Maestrale

Post by smok53 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 2:29 pm

Well, for me still beautiful sound combined with a large volume remains the ideal.
From my experience Dogal Diamante trebles (strong tension) have really beautiful sound and are very responsive but they yield rather limited volume. The basses are in my humble opinion average, though durable.

I am very curious about your opinions on the new Dogal Maestrale strings.

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Re: Dogal Maestrale

Post by pima1234 » Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:11 am

Call me (mostly) impressed with the Maestrale strings.

I have been enjoying them on my Sobel Blackwood.

I may be a convert, price not withstanding, if they last a long time as advertised.

The low tension set feels great. Plenty of volume (thanks largely to the guitar), increased sustain and bloom, less immediate attack (as you might expect), very responsive.

To me, they seem somewhere between carbon and titanium.
What can this strange device be?
When I touch it, it gives forth a sound
It's got wires that vibrate and give music
What can this thing be that I found?

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Re: Dogal Maestrale

Post by pima1234 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:04 pm

I received this from Andrea:

"The different tension of Maestrale is about 1,5 kg from high to regular. If you give me your email I will give more detail next week when we open office from summer vacation.

Infinito is a set for "rinascimentale" guitars. Developed with Maestro Parimbelli the basses are made with special winding matirial (aluminium, tungsten and titanium) strings with low tension.

Diamante have trebles in nylon with a very small quantity of carbon. This combination offer a round and warm sound with powerful. The basses tanks to the multifilament inside can offer wars sound and powerful with less tension (our high tension set have 1,5kg less tension to compare with our Usa and French competitors)

Maestrale: tanks to this new polimero we can offer about 30% more powerful than the standard strings round and a very good definition of each note.
These are just some information. I will give more when in office middle next week by email.

Regards,
Andrea"
What can this strange device be?
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It's got wires that vibrate and give music
What can this thing be that I found?

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Re: Dogal Maestrale

Post by pima1234 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:09 pm

I have also sent this information to Matt at Strings By Mail

Knowing is half the battle
What can this strange device be?
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It's got wires that vibrate and give music
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Re: Dogal Maestrale

Post by petermc61 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:21 pm

That would be slightly helpful if I had some idea what "rinascimentale" guitars were.

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Re: Dogal Maestrale

Post by edwardsguitar » Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:31 pm

"Infinito is a set for "rinascimentale" guitars" It means Renaissance, but what he means by that is impossible to tell. Perhaps he is meaning "early romantic guitars"?

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Re: Dogal Maestrale

Post by pima1234 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:57 pm

Hoping for further clarification from Andrea and SBM.
What can this strange device be?
When I touch it, it gives forth a sound
It's got wires that vibrate and give music
What can this thing be that I found?

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Re: Dogal Maestrale

Post by Brandon Walker » Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:22 am

Giacomo Pirambelli is something of a specialist in vintage guitars, as far as I understand it. His goal in developing the Infinito set was to create a particular sound - and they do have an unusual sound and feel.
Interesting about the different metals - there's no info on the packaging, but you can see the three wound strings are made of different metals.
I would urge anyone who is a regular to this forum to try a set. I couldn't compare them to anything else I've tried, which makes them difficult to describe, but if you're interested in different sound and feel as far as it is affected by choice of string, these are worth the effort.

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Re: Dogal Maestrale

Post by pima1234 » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:58 pm

Intonation is key for me with any set of strings. The Maestrale strings are very good with a stock compensated nut. Even with low tension (given that their strings are already supposed to be lower tension than other companies), I can keep the action low with no issues.
What can this strange device be?
When I touch it, it gives forth a sound
It's got wires that vibrate and give music
What can this thing be that I found?

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Re: Dogal Maestrale

Post by James Lister » Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:29 pm

I had a very interesting visit to the Dogal factory near Venice last week, as part of a trip with Newark College for meetings with the Leonardo Guitar Research Project group.

Andrea was a generous host, and looked after us very well, including personally taking us on a walking tour of Venice. He talked about Dogal strings (both "nylon" and steel strings) and gave a a short tour of the "shop floor". Sadly we couldn't see the machines running for health and safety reasons, and were asked not to take photos.

Andrea's description of the Maestrale strings sounded very promising. The material for the trebles (which are blue) apparently comes from the medical industry, and Andrea claims to get more volume with less tension, and also a sound closer to nylon than carbon. I have 2 sets to try, and have put one set on my own guitar today. My first impression is that the tension does not feel low (these are a regular tension set), if anything harder than D'Addario normal tension. I may measure the tension when I have time to set it up. Sound wise it's too early to say, as the strings haven't really settled yet, but they certainly seem to have plenty of volume.

More in a few days when I've spent a bit more time with the strings.

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