Change Nut, Change string spacing

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Change Nut, Change string spacing

Postby nmshu1 » Thu Oct 06, 2016 4:53 am

Change nut and change strings spacing by the same luthier, then will change sound quality?
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Re: Change Nut, Change string spacing

Postby James Lister » Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:27 am

No.
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Re: Change Nut, Change string spacing

Postby Rick-in-Annapolis » Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:04 pm

James Lister wrote:No.


This seems like a simple answer to a potentially more complicated question. My understanding is that nut material can change the tone of the guitar.

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Re: Change Nut, Change string spacing

Postby James Lister » Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:46 pm

Since the OP was wanting to change the string spacing, I was assuming that the same material would be used for the nut. Even if a different material was used, I think it would be hard to detect a change in tone.

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Re: Change Nut, Change string spacing

Postby Adam » Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:44 pm

Agreed, the transfer of vibration from the strings to the top happens through the saddle, not the nut. Swapping one bone nut for another will not affect the sound.

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Re: Change Nut, Change string spacing

Postby nmshu1 » Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:58 pm

James Lister wrote:No.

However I know Bernabe use special material nut to improve tone...
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Re: Change Nut, Change string spacing

Postby nmshu1 » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:27 pm

nmshu1 wrote:
James Lister wrote:No.

However I know Bernabe use special material nut to improve tone...

When I changed my guitars' nuts with narrower strings spacing, its sound was not as good as original one...
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Re: Change Nut, Change string spacing

Postby Adam » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:37 pm

Did you change strings? Did the change affect the action?

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Re: Change Nut, Change string spacing

Postby Philosopherguy » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:41 pm

nmshu1 wrote:
nmshu1 wrote:
James Lister wrote:No.

However I know Bernabe use special material nut to improve tone...

When I changed my guitars' nuts with narrower strings spacing, its sound was not as good as original one...


I don't think a nut material, as long as it's at least suitable, should have a big effect on the tone either. The only thing that really could effect the tone with a new nut is if the slots weren't made as well as the original nut. The edge should be fairly sharp so the strings come off the nut cleanly and the grooves for the strings should be as precise as possible so as not to mute the strings or cause buzz. The strings to have come off the nut at precisely the edge (not before or you will get buzz or like a Sitar kind of sound from the open string).

Other then that, hard plastic or bone probably won't effect things too much at the nut. I use bone for the nut on my guitars because it's relatively easy to work with. But, Tusq or anything like that would be fine too. I've made at least 10 or 15 different nuts, a few with Tusq and the rest with bone. They all turned out fine with no noticeable degradation in sound between the materials. I do have to point out, some bone is very hard and some is softer. Try to use the harder bone if you can (it also won't wear from the strings as fast from tuning and so on).

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Re: Change Nut, Change string spacing

Postby astro64 » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:45 pm

nmshu1 wrote:
nmshu1 wrote:
James Lister wrote:No.

However I know Bernabe use special material nut to improve tone...

When I changed my guitars' nuts with narrower strings spacing, its sound was not as good as original one...


Oh no, did you get a nut made from the bone of a different cow? ;)

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Re: Change Nut, Change string spacing

Postby nmshu1 » Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:40 am

Through Internet search, I found different material of nut affects tone a lot! Such as from elephant teeth, cow bone...plastic materials...
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Re: Change Nut, Change string spacing

Postby James Lister » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:38 am

nmshu1 wrote:Through Internet search, I found different material of nut affects tone a lot! Such as from elephant teeth, cow bone...plastic materials...

There are many things you can find on the internet which simply aren't true.

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Re: Change Nut, Change string spacing

Postby Michael.N. » Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:29 am

nmshu1 wrote:Through Internet search, I found different material of nut affects tone a lot! Such as from elephant teeth, cow bone...plastic materials...


What happens when you fret a note with your finger, does the nut material alter the tone then? How does it do it, since it's the metal fret that is stopping the string, not the nut. The nut is only in play on open strings, which is rare in comparison to notes stopped by the fingers.
If you really believe that the nut material imparts such a change you should use a nut made of metal, the very same alloy that is used to make frets. No one does though.
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Re: Change Nut, Change string spacing

Postby nmshu1 » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:28 pm

Michael.N. wrote:
nmshu1 wrote:Through Internet search, I found different material of nut affects tone a lot! Such as from elephant teeth, cow bone...plastic materials...


What happens when you fret a note with your finger, does the nut material alter the tone then? How does it do it, since it's the metal fret that is stopping the string, not the nut. The nut is only in play on open strings, which is rare in comparison to notes stopped by the fingers.
If you really believe that the nut material imparts such a change you should use a nut made of metal, the very same alloy that is used to make frets. No one does though.


Actually, I found the difference when I changed the nut and narrower strings spacing. It happened on my two guitars. Not only one...it is said that elephant teeth is the best material for nut...
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Re: Change Nut, Change string spacing

Postby nmshu1 » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:31 pm

Adam wrote:Did you change strings? Did the change affect the action?


No change strings, action looks similar...
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