Most musical strings?

Choice of classical guitar strings and technical issues connected with their use.
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Most musical strings?

Post by souldier » Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:25 pm

We often ask what are the warmest, brightest, clearest, loudest, etc. strings. In your experience, which set of strings would you describe as the most musically pleasing? By musical one might mean wide tonal palette, complex, beautiful timbre, colorful, etc.?
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Re: Most musical strings?

Post by Erik Zurcher » Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:47 pm

I don't believe that musical strings exist. Musicality is a value judgement reserved to humans, not objects.
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Re: Most musical strings?

Post by souldier » Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:04 pm

Erik Zurcher wrote:
Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:47 pm
I don't believe that musical strings exist. Musicality is a value judgement reserved to humans, not objects.
Could it be possible that one could make a value judgment concerning the musicality of strings as one would with a guitar? I've often heard of certain guitars being described as "musically pleasing". Are such judgments wrongly made?
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Re: Most musical strings?

Post by petermc61 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:31 am

I think it's an interesting question, but not one that there is necessarily an answer for. Many players use different sets of strings and do so for a variety of reasons - but I think it's reasonable to assume that whatever set of strings they are using is the most musically pleasing to them (putting aside price differences for some of the more expensive sets).

I think an alternate question which could be answered is which sets of strings are 'forgiving' and generally produce musical results, if not the 'most musical' for a given guitar. In that category I would suggest Ramirez medium tension with carbon G - they may not be best for many of my uses but I have never year heard them sound other than musically pleasant.

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Re: Most musical strings?

Post by Michael.N. » Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:07 am

souldier wrote:
Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:04 pm
Erik Zurcher wrote:
Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:47 pm
I don't believe that musical strings exist. Musicality is a value judgement reserved to humans, not objects.
Could it be possible that one could make a value judgment concerning the musicality of strings as one would with a guitar? I've often heard of certain guitars being described as "musically pleasing". Are such judgments wrongly made?
No, not wrongly made. Just a subjective opinion. Presumably people play the guitar (or strings) that they do because they find it musically pleasing. They would be a bit of a fool to do otherwise. I guess it's the same reason that we aren't all playing the very same type of guitar or indeed the exact same type of strings. How wonderful would that be. Cookie cutter strings on cookie cutter guitars played by cookie cooker players.
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Re: Most musical strings?

Post by souldier » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:53 pm

Michael.N. wrote:
Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:07 am
No, not wrongly made. Just a subjective opinion. Presumably people play the guitar (or strings) that they do because they find it musically pleasing. They would be a bit of a fool to do otherwise. I guess it's the same reason that we aren't all playing the very same type of guitar or indeed the exact same type of strings. How wonderful would that be. Cookie cutter strings on cookie cutter guitars played by cookie cooker players.
It's just a matter of taste. Often it's just different, not better or worse.
Definitely agree that it is a matter of subjective opinion. I am still quite curious as to what players on this forum would perceive as musically pleasing strings. One could gather such opinions by sifting through indirectly related threads around here, but it would be nice to have one thread dedicated to the topic.
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Re: Most musical strings?

Post by souldier » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:55 pm

petermc61 wrote:
Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:31 am
I think an alternate question which could be answered is which sets of strings are 'forgiving' and generally produce musical results, if not the 'most musical' for a given guitar. In that category I would suggest Ramirez medium tension with carbon G - they may not be best for many of my uses but I have never year heard them sound other than musically pleasant.
Interesting choice peter. I have only had the chance to try Ramirez strings briefly on a friend's guitar so I can't form a reliable opinion of them. Would you say they are even more forgiving than D'addario EJ45's? If not, what other characteristics would make you choose the Ramirez set over D'addario?
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Re: Most musical strings?

Post by petermc61 » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:47 am

souldier wrote:
Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:55 pm
petermc61 wrote:
Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:31 am
I think an alternate question which could be answered is which sets of strings are 'forgiving' and generally produce musical results, if not the 'most musical' for a given guitar. In that category I would suggest Ramirez medium tension with carbon G - they may not be best for many of my uses but I have never year heard them sound other than musically pleasant.
Interesting choice peter. I have only had the chance to try Ramirez strings briefly on a friend's guitar so I can't form a reliable opinion of them. Would you say they are even more forgiving than D'addario EJ45's? If not, what other characteristics would make you choose the Ramirez set over D'addario?
Part of it is being forgiving. Ramirez have that trait but also interest. They are rich and dynamic. EJ45 might also be forgiving but I find them rather boring, which the Ramirez are not. One big issue for me is the EJ45 G string that I find just plain average - thick, tubby, less than average sustain.

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Re: Most musical strings?

Post by Jack Douglas » Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:32 am

petermc61 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:47 am
souldier wrote:
Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:55 pm
petermc61 wrote:
Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:31 am
I think an alternate question which could be answered is which sets of strings are 'forgiving' and generally produce musical results, if not the 'most musical' for a given guitar. In that category I would suggest Ramirez medium tension with carbon G - they may not be best for many of my uses but I have never year heard them sound other than musically pleasant.
Interesting choice peter. I have only had the chance to try Ramirez strings briefly on a friend's guitar so I can't form a reliable opinion of them. Would you say they are even more forgiving than D'addario EJ45's? If not, what other characteristics would make you choose the Ramirez set over D'addario?
Part of it is being forgiving. Ramirez have that trait but also interest. They are rich and dynamic. EJ45 might also be forgiving but I find them rather boring, which the Ramirez are not. One big issue for me is the EJ45 G string that I find just plain average - thick, tubby, less than average sustain.
I used Ramirez strings on the Rohe I owned and thought they sounded very good. I experimented with a number of strings and some of the more expensive strings sounded a bit better, but on that guitar Ramirez was always very dependable.
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