The Thickest Sounding bass strings (for a bright short scale)

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The Thickest Sounding bass strings (for a bright short scale)

Post by Mr.Rain » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:41 pm

Hi All,

I have a doubt,as I keep trying more and more different strings set (I am all ears)

Currently I am trying to find the best possible strings for my 630mm spruce concert guitar (Antonio Picado)

This instrument has a quite thin top, and plenty of trebles (5 months old).
The best sounding sets in trebles I found are for the moment Ej44 and Aranjuez 400 (the thicker the trebles the fuller the sound, even with lower tension)

In the bass strings the best I found is a mixed set 4th and 5th from Ej44/Ej46(same nylons) and the 6th from Ej44c/Ej46c (composites, both work very well,they give an extra punch).

I find the composites to be very bright compared to the normal nylon, even the same thickness/tension.

As the next ones I will probably try the d'addarios exp 44,but I am open to recomendations :mrgreen:
(I am also considering trying some la bella XHT)

Sets I tried, Savarez 540,hannabach custom HT,Augustine regal blue/Classic Black, Ej45/Ej46/Ej46c/Ej44c,Aranjuez 400 silver ...

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Re: The Thickest Sounding bass strings (for a bright short scale)

Post by joachim33 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:23 pm

Have you looked into strings for fractional size guitars? If I got this right a 630mm is also referred to as a 7/8?

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Re: The Thickest Sounding bass strings (for a bright short scale)

Post by Mr.Rain » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:33 pm

joachim33 wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:23 pm
Have you looked into strings for fractional size guitars? If I got this right a 630mm is also referred to as a 7/8?

I know la bella has some 7/8 set but the mainly aimed for children. I do not hate the current mixed set but I want to know if I have more options :)...

Btw The guitar has a normal size box not a Madrid one but similar to normal Granada or Valencia made guitar...

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Post by joachim33 » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:03 am

Mr.Rain wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:33 pm
joachim33 wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:23 pm
Have you looked into strings for fractional size guitars? If I got this right a 630mm is also referred to as a 7/8?

I know la bella has some 7/8 set but the mainly aimed for children. I do not hate the current mixed set but I want to know if I have more options :)...

Btw The guitar has a normal size box not a Madrid one but similar to normal Granada or Valencia made guitar...
I am not sure what this "aimed for children " means. E.g.: The Savarez Prodige Alliance are not cheaper than a comparable Alliance full scale set. Similar for Hannabach 890. Based on the price there is no indication that this is "cheap ****".

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Post by joachim33 » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:08 am

As far as full scale strings go, Hannabach SHT with 8.0 kg is the highest tension E6 in my spread sheet. Exp 44 is "only" 7.4 kg.

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Re: The Thickest Sounding bass strings (for a bright short scale)

Post by Mr.Rain » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:55 am

joachim33 wrote:
Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:08 am
As far as full scale strings go, Hannabach SHT with 8.0 kg is the highest tension E6 in my spread sheet. Exp 44 is "only" 7.4 kg.
I tried the HT, somehow even with more tension that the ej44c but they were sounding way brighter :mrgreen:.
I think it is a combination of factors (the sound character and the tension).

I heard d'addarios EXP and even mellower than the normal ones hence them being on my list.
I also want to try La bella XHT,as I know the trebles are well "round"

I am not sure what this "aimed for children " means. E.g.: The Savarez Prodige Alliance are not cheaper than a comparable Alliance full scale set. Similar for Hannabach 890. Based on the price there is no indication that this is "cheap ****".
I meant they may not have the full tension of a normal tension set in short scale (AFAIK normally strings for kids are thin sounding,but again I may be wrong)

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Post by Michael.N. » Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:44 am

No I don't think they make strings for children. Likely they just cut the string a touch shorter.
Perhaps you will like the Aquila silk wounds, less ringy and bright than modern nylon wounds. Just read the Aquila disclaimer regarding their intonation.
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Re: The Thickest Sounding bass strings (for a bright short scale)

Post by Mr.Rain » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:18 am

Michael.N. wrote:
Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:44 am
No I don't think they make strings for children. Likely they just cut the string a touch shorter.
Perhaps you will like the Aquila silk wounds, less ringy and bright than modern nylon wounds. Just read the Aquila disclaimer regarding their intonation.
I am a tad worried about tuning, is possible to tune them to 440hz with them?

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Post by Michael.N. » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:10 pm

They advise 430 Hz or lower. Not really a problem unless you play with other instruments or playing along with another guitarist tuned differently.
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Re: The Thickest Sounding bass strings (for a bright short scale)

Post by 630mm » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:03 pm

The Royal Classic fractionals were quute warm on my 580mm.
2017 Benito Huipe "Bouchet" Spruce 655mm
2015 Francisco Navarro Concert Cedar 630mm
1976 Masaru Matano 600 Cedar 658mm
1972 Yamaha GC-6D Ezo Spruce 662mm

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Re: The Thickest Sounding bass strings (for a bright short scale)

Post by Mr.Rain » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:43 pm

Thanks, will check RC and Aquilas (if some other non silk set has a similar feel, as i do like the trebles of my guitar in 440hz..)

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Re: The Thickest Sounding bass strings (for a bright short scale)

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:21 pm

I use the D'Addario dynacore basses in hard tension on my wife's 3/4, 610mm scale guitar. I've tried Savarez Cantiga and Corum basses and the Cantiga sounded like there was something missing. The Corum were okay, but the Dynacore sounded best on that particular guitar. The guitar is a cedar topped Yammy. All of the strings I tried were hard tension. The Dynacore were the deepest sounding. I am currently using Dogal Diamante trebles in strong tension. And on my wife's guitar they have good balance between the bass and the treble.

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Re: The Thickest Sounding bass strings (for a bright short scale)

Post by Mr.Rain » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:52 pm

Laudiesdad69 wrote:
Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:21 pm
I use the D'Addario dynacore basses in hard tension on my wife's 3/4, 610mm scale guitar. I've tried Savarez Cantiga and Corum basses and the Cantiga sounded like there was something missing. The Corum were okay, but the Dynacore sounded best on that particular guitar. The guitar is a cedar topped Yammy. All of the strings I tried were hard tension. The Dynacore were the deepest sounding. I am currently using Dogal Diamante trebles in strong tension. And on my wife's guitar they have good balance between the bass and the treble.
have you compared the dynamocore to the regular d'addario or the composites?

I'm lately using an ej44c 6th coupled with regular ej46 5th and 4th , along with aranjuez 400 trebles.This combination sound quite nice for my 630mm but still the tension feel quite low (specially compared to the 540j + ej44c combo I used on 650mm:D)

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Re: The Thickest Sounding bass strings (for a bright short scale)

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:10 pm

Mr.Rain wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:52 pm
Laudiesdad69 wrote:
Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:21 pm
have you compared the dynamocore to the regular d'addario or the composites?

I'm lately using an ej44c 6th coupled with regular ej46 5th and 4th , along with aranjuez 400 trebles.This combination sound quite nice for my 630mm but still the tension feel quite low (specially compared to the 540j + ej44c combo I used on 650mm:D)
I have compared the Dynacore to the regular pro arte EJ46 basses, but not on my wife's short scale. I originally wanted a hard tension set because the scale was so short. The guys at SBM said the the set of EJ46FF had a tension for the set of 103lbs plus. I figured that I would get about an 80lb tension on the 610mm scale.

Check out D'Addario's string calculator. You can see what the tension would be based on your scale length. The strings on a short scale will definitely feel like lower tension, because on that scale length, the tension is less. With the EJ46FF on my wife's guitar, the strings are definitely more pliable than the same set on my 650mm.

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Re: The Thickest Sounding bass strings (for a bright short scale)

Post by Mr.Rain » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:40 pm

https://goo.gl/images/G9WrnA
Seems that the Dynacore set has the same tension as ej44c I find the 4th to saggy in that setime (in my 630mm spruce concierto).People say they're brighter than regular nylon , so I guess no luck for me in this option ....

anyway thanks the search goes on 😁

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