Tuning accuracy for CG?

Choice of classical guitar strings and technical issues connected with their use.
User avatar
joachim33
Posts: 205
Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:21 pm
Location: Skåne

Tuning accuracy for CG?

Post by joachim33 » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:19 pm

I had a good look into electronic tuners recently. The latest craze seems to be tuners offering some kind of strobe mode that for at least part of the spectrum claims an accuracy of 0.1 cent (1/1000 of a halfstep).

Considering all the issues around CG (wood and nylon react to temperature, humidity and maybe even the phase of the moon :wink:) and the shortcoming of equal temperament, what is a reasonable precision when tuning a CG?

User avatar
Steve Ganz
Luthier
Posts: 816
Joined: Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:19 pm
Location: Blaine, WA, USA

Re: Tuning accuracy for CG?

Post by Steve Ganz » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:11 pm

.1 cent?
Probably not necessary for guitar listeners. Possibly for builders, but even there, most builders don't get closer than 2 cents all over the fingerboard.
Steve

User avatar
Contreras
Posts: 735
Joined: Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:13 am
Location: In the Wind

Re: Tuning accuracy for CG?

Post by Contreras » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:11 am

How about that one that turns the peg for you as well !!

It doubles as an electric string winder
Put down the bagpipes ...
... and no one gets hurt.

User avatar
joachim33
Posts: 205
Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:21 pm
Location: Skåne

Re: Tuning accuracy for CG?

Post by joachim33 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:04 pm

Contreras wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:11 am
How about that one that turns the peg for you as well !!

It doubles as an electric string winder
Thanks for engaging, but you lost me. I was keen to know how much of a tolerance you allow when tuning/playing your instrument.

googoobaby
Posts: 4
Joined: Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:44 pm
Location: Seattle, Washington USA

Re: Tuning accuracy for CG?

Post by googoobaby » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:12 pm

I've been using my Turbo Tuner which claims to be incredibly precise. It's a great tuner and easy to use but I do think there's a lot of tolerance. Often I'll take my instrument from its case and find it sounds great where the tuner shows it as being a bit off.

Laudiesdad69
Posts: 1168
Joined: Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:16 pm

Re: Tuning accuracy for CG?

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:06 pm

Contreras wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:11 am
How about that one that turns the peg for you as well !!

It doubles as an electric string winder
Sounds like Gibson"s G Force tuner.

User avatar
bacsidoan
Posts: 2338
Joined: Sun May 10, 2009 1:59 am

Re: Tuning accuracy for CG?

Post by bacsidoan » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:26 pm

Contreras wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:11 am
How about that one that turns the peg for you as well !!

It doubles as an electric string winder
It is available now. The "roadie"!

classicalguitardelcamp.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=112911&hilit=automatic+tuner&sid=91841c36a37a8090f548b4851f8ac2ac

It still needs to have Bluetooth connection to a smartphone. I'm sure another version with built in microphone will be available soon enough.

richardm
Posts: 57
Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:06 pm
Location: London, England

Re: Tuning accuracy for CG?

Post by richardm » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:14 pm

My Peterson iStroboSoft tuner displays an accuracy of 0.1 cents. To be honest that seems to be greater precision than necessary, as the pitch of the string varies more than this during the duration of the note. I have changed the setting to display whole cents, as this seems accurate enough to me, and makes it easier to use.

User avatar
Yisrael van Handel
Posts: 523
Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:26 pm
Location: Modi'in Illit, Israel

Re: Tuning accuracy for CG?

Post by Yisrael van Handel » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:46 pm

Take the most accurately built guitar you own. Slowly play the G string right behind the fifth fret. After playing the note with absolutely minimal pressure, slowly press harder and harder. You will hear the note going audibly sharp (my guess is about 20 cents). The geometry of the guitar makes very precise pitch of a fretted note impossible. Pitch will also depend on how hard you press. It is obviously also not necessary to have extremely accurate pitch. We have been playing guitar for 400 years without worrying about small deviations from true pitch. In fact, until recently, even larger deviations from true pitch were unavoidable on a lot of woodwinds and brass instruments.
Yisrael van Handel
Modi'in Ilit, Israel

Rognvald
Posts: 147
Joined: Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:21 am

Re: Tuning accuracy for CG?

Post by Rognvald » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:29 pm

I have used all the electronic tuners and my biggest complaint is variability. If I'm playing a gig, I tune with a fork using harmonics. I trust my ears above any electronic tuner. Playing again . . . Rognvald
"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music." Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spake Zarathustra

Mike Steede
Posts: 20
Joined: Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:52 am
Location: North Vancouver,BC Canada

Re: Tuning accuracy for CG?

Post by Mike Steede » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:49 pm

I've always used a tuning fork, but recently found out about the D'Addario Planet Waves NS Micro Tuner. It's really tiny and clips onto your headstock. It's practically invisible to your audience because it's so small and really easy to use I've found. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Eyw4VKU8Q
2017 Steven Ganz 'New Moon'
2017 Yamaha NCX900FM

User avatar
joachim33
Posts: 205
Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:21 pm
Location: Skåne

Re: Tuning accuracy for CG?

Post by joachim33 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:12 am

Mike Steede wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:49 pm
I've always used a tuning fork, but recently found out about the D'Addario Planet Waves NS Micro Tuner. It's really tiny and clips onto your headstock. It's practically invisible to your audience because it's so small and really easy to use I've found. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Eyw4VKU8Q
I had one and gave it away. It doesn't open wide enough for my guitar.

Mike Steede
Posts: 20
Joined: Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:52 am
Location: North Vancouver,BC Canada

Re: Tuning accuracy for CG?

Post by Mike Steede » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:45 am

Yes, I didn't mention it only fits on mine on the widest setting.
2017 Steven Ganz 'New Moon'
2017 Yamaha NCX900FM

User avatar
joachim33
Posts: 205
Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:21 pm
Location: Skåne

Re: Tuning accuracy for CG?

Post by joachim33 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:36 am

Mike Steede wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:45 am
Yes, I didn't mention it only fits on mine on the widest setting.
I could slide it on at its widest setting, but was worried, that I get scratch marks in the finish when doing it often. Members here advised me against leaving it on permanently. So in the end I went for the Korg CA-2. I only need the headstock microphone when in a noisy environment. If I need it, it opens really wide. So the risk for marks is minimal this way.

Return to “Classical Guitar Strings”