D'Addario Pro Arte Carbon EJ45FF

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Re: D'Addario Pro Arte Carbon EJ45FF

Post by mando48 » Mon Feb 09, 2015 1:56 am

ddawson2012 wrote:
mando48 wrote:I tried them, the treble strings broke quickly
Mando - don from D'Addario here - mind if I ask where the string broke? Tuner - saddle, nut - mid - string?

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tried several sets. The trebles start to shred and break.
I won't use them again but D'ADDARIO will fix it someday!

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Re: D'Addario Pro Arte Carbon EJ45FF

Post by MarkInLA » Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:47 am

Hi. Those who have them on, are there still 'wolf tones' in places ( Seems like these wolves like to do their business on or near our Gs ) ? Hoping carbons eliminate them..

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Post by GuitarX » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:33 pm

Aside from the breakage issue, these descriptions are quite similar to Oasis GPX carbons--could they be the same string just repackaged, or does D'Addario have a new proprietary formula?

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Post by Peterson2 » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:55 pm

MarkInLA wrote:Hi. Those who have them on, are there still 'wolf tones' in places ( Seems like these wolves like to do their business on or near our Gs ) ? Hoping carbons eliminate them..
wolf notes are part of the physical structure of the guitar. carbon strings will not make them go away. also carbon strings will not make your guitar sound better. carbon strings are common of tight modern guitars, they work best on tight choked double tops and lattice guitars which have an unsensitive dynamic range - they give a fake sense for the player. put carbon strings on a great traditional fan braced guitar, and it gives it a fake dynamic too, and a dreadful metallic sound - carbon strings kill all the character the guitar has! the carbon fad has gone too far and needs to stop, it has made some companies some money from uneducated guitarists buying on trends, but they are truly dreadful for guitars to be used for real music. i have heard of university level guitar players that have only ever used carbon strings, they are truly missing out on hearing their guitars at their best.

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Re: D'Addario Pro Arte Carbon EJ45FF

Post by pogmoor » Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:31 pm

Peterson2 wrote:...put carbon strings on a great traditional fan braced guitar, and it gives it a fake dynamic too, and a dreadful metallic sound - carbon strings kill all the character the guitar has! the carbon fad has gone too far and needs to stop...
I guess you may be right about wolf notes, but I'm puzzled by your view that one form of synthetic polymer (nylon) is so much better than another slightly denser, but otherwise similar polymer (fluorocarbon) in all respects. After all the tone they produce is often closer to the sound of gut strings than is nylon.
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Post by hesson11 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:41 am

Peterson2 wrote:the carbon fad has gone too far and needs to stop
When you pry my cold, dead hands off them. :-)
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Post by MarkInLA » Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:03 pm

Peterson 2, thanks for the full story about carbons. I can actually imagine what they might sound like by your descriptions. On the other hand pogmoor's reference to cat gut is interesting, too. But even if he is correct doesn't mean listeners and players will all take to the original 'gut' guitar sound, anyway. I know what you mean by 'it needs to stop". You're warning that players are buying into a trend leading away from authenticity, a sort of fad. But, to be fair to pogmoor, nylon must have rattled some players when it first replaced gut; that it's not authentic.. I believe I read that Segovia was instrumental (pun not intended) in the use of nylon...No ? ..... Mark

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Post by mike.janel » Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:44 pm

I recently put the carbon 3ed of this set with the 1st and 2nd of the nylon set.
Works great and really solved a sore issue with the 3ed lack of focus on my cedar top.
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Post by Norman Spencer » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:18 pm

I have been using these strings for about six months now. I find that a set easily lasts about 2 months. I have had no problems with breakage or de-lamination as some have reported here. The sound is still lovely to my ears. These strings seem to be particularly well suited to cedar top guitars.

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Post by Peterson2 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:46 pm

MarkInLA wrote:Peterson 2, thanks for the full story about carbons. I can actually imagine what they might sound like by your descriptions. On the other hand pogmoor's reference to cat gut is interesting, too. But even if he is correct doesn't mean listeners and players will all take to the original 'gut' guitar sound, anyway. I know what you mean by 'it needs to stop". You're warning that players are buying into a trend leading away from authenticity, a sort of fad. But, to be fair to pogmoor, nylon must have rattled some players when it first replaced gut; that it's not authentic.. I believe I read that Segovia was instrumental (pun not intended) in the use of nylon...No ? ..... Mark
there are players of the belief that nylon strings only came into play because of world war 2. players in italy that seek to replicate 19th century guitar music.... they say that there was a shortage of gut strings and that fishing line (nylon) was used as a stop gap. these 19th century affectionados also claim that we would all still be playing gut strings without world war 2. That is maybe true, but nylon strings bought about an improvement to gut strings in quality and sound quality. unfortunantly other advancements since like carbon, fluro carbon, titanium, they have NOT bought about any improvement. they are marketed well, and tend to have sound that is impressive to amatuer players, but overall they are not better, and the more you play them, the more you hear they are actually dreadful and kill your instruments natural resonance.
you should listen to Segovia, though he is a bastard in personal character, he knew the guitar. he is the reason we are typing in this forum. he also taught so much about the instrument which modern academic players can not comprehend, ie tone colour.

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Re: D'Addario Pro Arte Carbon EJ45FF

Post by Peterson2 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:50 pm

pogmoor wrote:
Peterson2 wrote:...put carbon strings on a great traditional fan braced guitar, and it gives it a fake dynamic too, and a dreadful metallic sound - carbon strings kill all the character the guitar has! the carbon fad has gone too far and needs to stop...
I guess you may be right about wolf notes, but I'm puzzled by your view that one form of synthetic polymer (nylon) is so much better than another slightly denser, but otherwise similar polymer (fluorocarbon) in all respects. After all the tone they produce is often closer to the sound of gut strings than is nylon.
umm... but using my ears. carbon strings have been around for ages now and have sounded dreadful the whole time. if you cant hear it, bad luck for you, that is the thing about classical guitar, 90% of the players cant tell at all what is good or bad, and follow trends.

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Re: D'Addario Pro Arte Carbon EJ45FF

Post by Nick Clow » Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:19 pm

wolf notes are part of the physical structure of the guitar. carbon strings will not make them go away. also carbon strings will not make your guitar sound better. carbon strings are common of tight modern guitars, they work best on tight choked double tops and lattice guitars which have an unsensitive dynamic range - they give a fake sense for the player. put carbon strings on a great traditional fan braced guitar, and it gives it a fake dynamic too, and a dreadful metallic sound - carbon strings kill all the character the guitar has! the carbon fad has gone too far and needs to stop, it has made some companies some money from uneducated guitarists buying on trends, but they are truly dreadful for guitars to be used for real music. i have heard of university level guitar players that have only ever used carbon strings, they are truly missing out on hearing their guitars at their best.
Bravo. I love a well-stated, good strong opinion!
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Post by MarkInLA » Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:47 pm

P2, I didn't say I was going to get them. Actually, since I'm not going to play Carnegie Hall any time soon, what I like, due to only practicing at home, are decent enough sounding, least expensive strings, and keeping them on as long as they haven't begun unraveling and D hasn't popped. Money is tight for me. I do have a new Cordoba C10, and the $4 D'addario normal tensions I bought sound and feel just fine on it after removing the high tension Savarez's it came with..One sort of silly question I do have is : Are carbon strings clear like nylon, or are they gray/black the way I picture the head of a burnt match's carbon ?

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Re: D'Addario Pro Arte Carbon EJ45FF

Post by pogmoor » Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:49 am

MarkInLA wrote:Are carbon strings clear like nylon, or are they gray/black the way I picture the head of a burnt match's carbon ?
They are clear; oddly enough carbon strings contain proportionately less carbon than nylon strings :?
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Re: D'Addario Pro Arte Carbon EJ45FF

Post by riffmeister » Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:51 pm

Peterson2 wrote:...overall they are not better, and the more you play them, the more you hear they are actually dreadful and kill your instruments natural resonance....
What people "like" is completely subjective and your opinion on the matter is clear. However when you say things like "kill your instrument's natural resonance" well that's just nonsense. Carbon and nylon strings have different timbral qualities, that's about all one can say in a factual sense. What sounds "good" is completely subjective.

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