[Tremolo] Right hand wrist pain when accelerating finger movements

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Re: [Tremolo] Right hand wrist pain when accelerating finger movements

Post by italian_job » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:31 pm

AndreiKrylov wrote: 5. never try to force yourself - you do not need any power or strength for tremolo - just precision and lightness
Exactly, forget hands specialists they re all b-s
Get a nice book on how to practice a music instrument, sessions and breaks lengths, relaxation exercises, posture and balance while keeping your body totally released and dynamic at the same time, incorporate Alexander technique if possible.

Your neck and right shoulder especially looks very tense, way too much......and breath.

good luck!

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Re: [Tremolo] Right hand wrist pain when accelerating finger movements

Post by italian_job » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:43 pm

....as for the mouse, I had the same problem, I switched to 3m ergonomic mouse wireless (joystick type)puts no pressure on the tunnel anf keep your wrist relaxed.

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Re: [Tremolo] Right hand wrist pain when accelerating finger movements

Post by Luis_Br » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:55 pm

Probably similar tension problem occur with the mouse. Should work relaxing with mouse too. Good thing is that continuously working and developing the relaxed attitude with everything in life will help with guitar technique.

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Re: [Tremolo] Right hand wrist pain when accelerating finger movements

Post by Blondie » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:09 pm

Agree with all points above re. madness of 10 hours a day mouse clicking plus the observations made about your tension, that is no way to practice. Might I add that I think it is a bad idea trying to practice/develop tremolo by working on a virtuoso tremolo piece, too much going on in the music and the left hand to focus properly on your tension issues which will just add problems.

If you must work on tremolo (and I would seriously consider not for while while you get the pain checked out before you do any serious damage) then either use open strings or keep the left hand fingering very simple and go for light, relaxed tremolo bursts with gaps in between (see Pumping Nylon for good examples of this).

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Re: [Tremolo] Right hand wrist pain when accelerating finger movements

Post by robinfw » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:31 am

The bitter truth maybe stop everything guitar for a year.
Back to square one but with experience.
Relearn without effort.
Little short motions close to strings.
Practice very very softly.

Mouse thing learn to use other hand.
On knee high table to one side
Small sponge under wrist.

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Re: [Tremolo] Right hand wrist pain when accelerating finger movements

Post by Guitar Maniac » Sun May 07, 2017 1:04 pm

Again many thanks all of you for your advice and sorry for my much belated reply. During the time I've still been experimenting quintuplet tremolo (yes now I call it "quintuplet" instead of "flamenco" tremolo due to a specific reason)

So far I could finally minimize the tension and pain in my right hand by flattening my wrist and plucking strings at a different angle, however I still cannot find anyway to connect (Iamip) gestures, so my tremolo is always like (p...Iamip...Iamip...), plus the sound from m finger is much weaker than from i and a... My right hand constantly goes out of proper alignment after each (Iamip) and that's why I've been having a hard time struggling to make my tremolo sound continuously. Also the sub pair i-a is weird.

Then I tried various approaches still prioritizing Piami pattern, but also practiced "Pmami" and "Pamia", just in order to make my fingers more independent (especially m-a / a-m pair). Afterwards I remembered an advice from a guitarist / teacher Sal Bonita (you can easily search for his name and tutorial clips on youtube) saying that "pmami" is far better than "piami" because there is no actual finger doubling (i (p) i - pattern piami). Well, I've tried pmami, and still can't feel it natural because of the famous sympathetic motion m-a-m, the only things better than piami are no doubling and no right hand angle altering constantly after each gesture...

Pamia gives the most convenient feeling of all 3, but there is still an awkward feeling during executing a-p pair which connects any of two gestures...

Finally, I found somewhere in this forum, a member mentioned "Pamim" as a supplemental pattern to master traditional flamenco tremolo pattern "Piami" and now I feel like I've made up my mind, that this one is definitely my quintuplet tremolo pattern, it just suits me very well. No tension, no pain, no inconvenient/unnatural feeling at all, it's just like an extension from the traditional classical tremolo pattern - "pami" and in my opinion, it is even more balance because unlike "pami", we don't have to make the triplet "ami" even with p as break stroke, and also the "i-m-i" sub pattern is quite easy to execute and to keep it even with "a-m", which might be the biggest reason to cause a gallop tremolo.

Another point which I found an important part of a steady right hand in tremolo is how p would move, and now for 6th and 5th, even 4th string I play p rest stroke with a bit less power than normal thumb rest stroke.

At the moment it's still at the early stage of my tremolo development with "pamim" pattern, but I believe one day I can make it work well. Maybe at that time I will post a new thread to share all my thoughts during my tremolo experimenting duration...

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