Help me with my tremolo

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Re: Help me with my tremolo

Post by Tom Poore » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:32 pm

If you haven’t yet seen it, this might help:

http://www.pooretom.com/learningtremolo1.html

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Re: Help me with my tremolo

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Re: Help me with my tremolo

Post by georgemarousi » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:57 pm

what you do wrong, is that you move your hand away from the top everytime you play a note. This technique won't get you to speed.

As you can see at a video ( i.e. below ), the right hand and mostly the knuckles ( the base of the fingers ) don't move at all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hel3j4TQdAs

I would say that you have to practice upon that base. I find the previous video(s) helpfull too. Good luck !
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Re: Help me with my tremolo

Post by davekear » Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:40 am

One of the most important parts of a tremolo is uniformity of tone. All your fingers, a,m,i, should be uniform in tone and volume. If this doesn't occur, you get a gallop and lose the smoothness and continuity. A good exercise for this is to practice a, then m, then i, but very slowly and deliberately; utilizing planting, with the goal of uniformity of tone and volume with each finger. Add the thumb if you want, but the concentration, a least for this exercise, is on a,m,i. And please, don't worry about what each segment of your finger is doing, or what the knuckle is doing etc. etc. If your basic free stroke mechanics are in, then it will all work out. It's getting the right feel. Don't even look at the fingers of your right hand. (OK, you can look once in a while). Also, go for a little bit more volume when practicing this. Just short of banging.

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Re: Help me with my tremolo

Post by SteveL123 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:12 am

Thanks for the replies! I'll have to shoot another video to show my progress with the tremolo.

When I first started, I could only do pami, couldn't do pmim or pama no matter how hard I tried, so I just practiced the pami. A few months go by I tried the pmim and pama again and I could do them, not as well as the pami. So I practiced both pami and pmim and I like the 2 finger pmim a lot and practiced that more. Currently I think my pmim is better than my pami.

Should I practice both or concentrate on one?

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Re: Help me with my tremolo

Post by davekear » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:26 am

SteveL123 wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:12 am
Thanks for the replies! I'll have to shoot another video to show my progress with the tremolo.


Should I practice both or concentrate on one?
In my opinion I'd get p,a,m,i down first. Get it so it's smooth, stable, and sounds great, then go on. There are all sorts of tremolos one can work on, but the basic one should be, if not mastered, at least learned well enough to sound great. Time is a very valuable thing when it comes to practicing. That's a whole new thread in itself. But I'd get the basic tremolo down first. Doing that will also help you with the others.

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Re: Help me with my tremolo

Post by kmurdick » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:52 pm

Tremolo can be very useful if you arrange music for the classical guitar. It's one of the great devices and is worth learning. Other great devices are the 3/4 time strict waltz and the stride piano styles which create three independent parts. There are some nice Latin three part techniques as well.

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Re: Help me with my tremolo

Post by Ortega » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:24 pm

Some important points here:

https://youtu.be/5avEJ227uIk

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Re: Help me with my tremolo

Post by Ortega » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:59 pm

Sorry, wrong file.

The corrected/ updated one is here.

I hope this helps:
https://youtu.be/JDqsV0L78lo

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Re: Help me with my tremolo

Post by kmurdick » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:12 pm

This guy has a fast, pretty even, and most importantly, tireless tremolo. Notice the definite alternation between 'i' and the 'ma' which move together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tOYiRv3_rY

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Re: Help me with my tremolo

Post by Ortega » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:15 am

Sorry, I was not happy with video. So new to the hand; this one should hopefully be convincing and complete!

New info here as well:
https://youtu.be/X6cKaq7DVUs

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Re: Help me with my tremolo

Post by Ortega » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:08 am

kmurdick wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:12 pm
This guy has a fast, pretty even, and most importantly, tireless tremolo. Notice the definite alternation between 'i' and the 'ma' which move together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tOYiRv3_rY
Yes, very noticeable.

My last one was still uneven, this on e comes very close I think.
https://youtu.be/X6cKaq7DVUs
Your observations about m and a are correct,I notice it in my own hand. However, we don't have to actually think about this, that part occurs naturally.

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Re: Help me with my tremolo

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Re: Help me with my tremolo

Post by kmurdick » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:07 pm

Ortega wrote:
Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:30 am
Top view:
https://youtu.be/FwRFktkSI_I
OK, a couple of things. Can you play it at that tempo for 5 minutes straight? Also, that over flexed wrist may hurt you in the long run. If you can play that slightly galloping tremolo without fatigue, I would go back and work with a metronome to even it out. The trick with a almost any right hand technique, IMO, is to get it up to speed first, and smooth it out later. The purpose of getting it up to speed first is to make sure the fingers are moving in an efficient manner so you can learn how that feels. You might also experiment with a less flexed position at the knuckle joint while working slowly. Just some ideas.

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Re: Help me with my tremolo

Post by Rasputin » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:31 pm

kmurdick wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:12 pm
This guy has a fast, pretty even, and most importantly, tireless tremolo. Notice the definite alternation between 'i' and the 'ma' which move together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tOYiRv3_rY
Do you have any thoughts on how hand position affects the dead time between notes? I am wondering whether the finger comes through the string faster when the fingers are moving more or less perpendicular to the length of the strings.

Is there a secret to reducing the dead time while coming across the strings at an angle?

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