Question regarding Segovia's scales.

Classical Guitar technique: studies, scales, arpeggios, theory
Forum rules
IV Laws governing the quotation/citation of music


For discussion of studies, scales, arpeggios and theory.
lacatedral
Posts: 8
Joined: Sat Jul 29, 2017 5:09 pm

Question regarding Segovia's scales.

Post by lacatedral » Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:11 pm

Hi I just found out this book by Segovia, I was wondering some few questions:

1) Does these scales have any sustancial difference with Carlevaro's book number 1 (the one with scales)? I find that both books' premise is the same, gradually work in 24 scales wiith shifting positions. A minor difference I find in "segovian scales" are that he preffers not to use any open string.
I previously worked on Carlevaro, so I'm not sure if it's really worth buying it (I read instead a free sample on Scribd).

2) The scales open with the following statement: "Practice each scale apoyando seven times as indicated below: i m, mi, etc...", when he says "apoyando" it means rest stroke. So Segovia intended the scales to be studied only with rest stroke? I find studying them with free stroke more productive as it is more used, and then alternating to apoyando.

User avatar
Stephen Kenyon
Teacher
Posts: 1938
Joined: Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:26 am
Location: Dorchester, Dorset, England

Re: Question regarding Segovia's scales.

Post by Stephen Kenyon » Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:21 pm

I don't know the Carlevaro scales, but would suggest that you may find too many books of basically the same thing less useful, so long as the one thing you are working on is well worked out and gives a reasonably comprehensive set of fingers and techniques.

Re apoyando vs tirando for scales, yes of course practise them with both techniques, working on your weaknesses, playing with your strengths. You may find for instance that doing some of the more extreme combinations of RH fingers with apoyando is harder than tirando - if so, great, there's a reason for that and its something to work on; challenges are your friend.

Re both the Carlevaro and Segovia scales you may also consider that both are fairly ancient in pedagogical terms, and newer versions may offer better worked out ways of approaching things, perhaps especially in the matter of argeggios. I normally recommend the scales books by ABRSM.
Simon Ambridge Series 40 (2005)
Trevor Semple Series 88 (1992)
Louis Panormo (1838)
Alexander Batov Baroque Guitar (2013)

hpaulj
Posts: 127
Joined: Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:02 am
Location: Seattle

Re: Question regarding Segovia's scales.

Post by hpaulj » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:19 pm

Daniel Nistico, has tried to highlight J. K.Mertz scales (from his School For Guitar, Boije 1136)

http://danielnistico.weebly.com/mertz-scales.html

RonT
Posts: 8
Joined: Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:52 pm

Re: Question regarding Segovia's scales.

Post by RonT » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:50 pm

I'm just getting back to playing classical guitar. I studied in my early 20's and learned the Segovia Scales. For years I played in blues bands and jam bands but even on my electric guitar I always practiced and adapted the Segovia scales and moved most of them to be in the 3 octave format. I also learned all sorts of other scales/modes...etc but the Segovia scales are the ones that opened up the fretboard to me and taught me where every note is on the instrument. Previous to that I thought of them in shapes and boxes as most who explore electric blues end up doing...

All other scales and modes are just adaptations of the major and minor scale and that is what I learned from the Segovia scales...

Return to “Classical Guitar technique”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: bchi123, CactusWren, CommonCrawl [Bot] and 26 guests