Bach Fugue in A minor BVW 1000

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Bach Fugue in A minor BVW 1000

Post by Contreras » Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:36 am

Looking for the 'other' version, which I believe is 'modelled' on the original violin version rather than the standard Lute transcription as played by JW and JB.

In Bream's Master Class (YouTube) on this wonderful piece the two Canadians play the violin version and it's interestingly different. I have been working on the standard version for years _ I think to play the violin transcription as well would deepen my understanding of it.

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Re: Bach Fugue in A minor BVW 1000

Post by David Norton » Sun Jul 31, 2016 11:55 am

Tarrega's transcription (the one Segovia played) is the violin version, BWV 1001, not the BWV 1000 lute version.
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Re: Bach Fugue in A minor BVW 1000

Post by JohnB » Sun Jul 31, 2016 2:38 pm

I used to play Duarte's transcription of the violin version (it was published as "Siciliana and Fugue") but it looks as though it is no longer in print.
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Re: Bach Fugue in A minor BVW 1000

Post by RichardUno » Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:34 pm

"Johann Sebastian Bach Complete Lute Works - Chaconne," edited by Frederic Zigante, has both versions.

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Re: Bach Fugue in A minor BVW 1000

Post by pima1234 » Tue Aug 02, 2016 3:48 am

As does Frank Koonce's.

I would love to see Duarte's. I have Zigante's and should probably look at it again.

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Re: Bach Fugue in A minor BVW 1000

Post by richtm » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:28 pm

I am visiting Tilman Hoppstocks Works for the Lute issue.
He compares the violin autograph and the Lute transcription (tabulature by Weyrauch).
1. The lute transcription goes with a dropped D tuning. I have not yet seen a guitart transcription capturing that. I think Bream is just playing it in a normal guitar tuning.
2. Both versions go - starting in measure 38 with a "high e" bass, but I love the low e version.
Where does this version come from? Can anybody give me more details on the differences in the transcriptions of this peace? Also I would love to see a playable transcription uing the dropped D tuning.
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Re: Bach Fugue in A minor BVW 1000

Post by SteveL123 » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:47 pm

Contreras wrote:
Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:36 am
Looking for the 'other' version, which I believe is 'modelled' on the original violin version rather than the standard Lute transcription as played by JW and JB.

In Bream's Master Class (YouTube) on this wonderful piece the two Canadians play the violin version and it's interestingly different. I have been working on the standard version for years _ I think to play the violin transcription as well would deepen my understanding of it.

Thanks if you know
I've seen that Bream master class video before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o8qBKnLtsA&t=2111s

Thanks for reminding me of it! Of the 3 students, I like the female Canadian student the best @ 35:00

I am working on it myself (relearning it) and up to measure 37 currently. I still have a long way to go and enjoying it tremendously.

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Re: Bach Fugue in A minor BVW 1000

Post by richtm » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:37 pm

I love the version that has the low e basses in measure 3 but this misses the low e basses in measure 38 as described above. Is there a version out that reflects both? From Hoppstock I learned that one actually has to drop the 6th string tuning to D to be able to play the original Bach notation but i have no fingering for that :-(
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Re: Bach Fugue in A minor BVW 1000

Post by Vlad Kosulin » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:40 pm

Two more sources to consider:
1) Johann Sebastian Bach. Sonate, a Violino senza Basso accompagnato for Guitar. BWV 1001, 1003, 1005, ed. by Jacopo Gianninoto (2006) - free download for non commercial use;
2) Johann Sebastian Bach. Sonate e Partite (BWV 1001-1006). Vol.1. Arranged by Miklos Mosoczi (Budapest, 1978)
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