Where can I find Segovia's transcription of BWV 1001 Fuga?

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Where can I find Segovia's transcription of BWV 1001 Fuga?

Post by SteveL123 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:36 am

Looking for help in locating the score of Segovia's transcription of BWV 1001 Fugue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOlvZFAGfaE

Segovia was 86 when he performed it at the Whitehouse in 1979! Pretty amazing and I love the sound of his guitar.

I learned this piece around 1987 after spending about a year with Parkening's recording and the score of it in a book titled "Anthology of classical guitar favorites" published by Joe Goldfeder enterprise (strangely no isbn number). I stopped playing for many years and totally forgot the fingerings. Picked up the guitar again this past December and currently relearning this piece.

Segovia and Parkening's version is true to the violin version in G minor except transcribed to A minor. I notice some of Segovia's fingerings are different than the score from the book I learned from. I'd love to get a hold of Segovia's transcription. Any leads appreciated!

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Re: Where can I find Segovia's transcription of BWV 1001 Fuga?

Post by Stephen Kenyon » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:27 am

I don't know if its in a single edition format but it is in the big book of transcriptions published by Berben, ed Gilardino and De Fremery.
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Re: Where can I find Segovia's transcription of BWV 1001 Fuga?

Post by David Norton » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:51 am

An important consideration is the Berben book is unfingered. You get the notes, and the string indications, but not the fingerings. This is for the practical reason that many of these transcriptions were done by ear. Fremery could discern the notes and often the string (by timbre quality or by practical application based on other notes in a chord) but not the fingerings.

Segovia's version is so close to the Tarrega version that this one will likely suit your needs.
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Re: Where can I find Segovia's transcription of BWV 1001 Fuga?

Post by Francesco Mariani » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:11 am

Speaking of unfingered versions, here is a straight transposition of the violin score into a minor. Even if you don't base your version on it, it will be a useful reference for you... https://www.dropbox.com/s/6hwa91hi9kwsy ... n.pdf?dl=0

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Re: Where can I find Segovia's transcription of BWV 1001 Fuga?

Post by SteveL123 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:25 am

Francesco Mariani wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:11 am
Speaking of unfingered versions, here is a straight transposition of the violin score into a minor. Even if you don't base your version on it, it will be a useful reference for you... https://www.dropbox.com/s/6hwa91hi9kwsy ... n.pdf?dl=0
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Re: Where can I find Segovia's transcription of BWV 1001 Fuga?

Post by SteveL123 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:26 am

David Norton wrote:
Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:51 am
An important consideration is the Berben book is unfingered. You get the notes, and the string indications, but not the fingerings. This is for the practical reason that many of these transcriptions were done by ear. Fremery could discern the notes and often the string (by timbre quality or by practical application based on other notes in a chord) but not the fingerings.

Segovia's version is so close to the Tarrega version that this one will likely suit your needs.
Forgot to reply to this with what I found. Is this the Berben edition you're talking about?
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Re: Where can I find Segovia's transcription of BWV 1001 Fuga?

Post by David Norton » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:24 am

Yes, that is the same one. Up to you and your own "personal set of ethics" as to whether to use a pirated PDF, or to purchase a clean copy.
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Re: Where can I find Segovia's transcription of BWV 1001 Fuga?

Post by SteveL123 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:59 am

Wasn't aware it's pirated. I just removed the link. I have the Fuga in the book "Anthology of Classical Guitar Favorites" that I am using which has fingerings. May not be the best fingerings but with so many youtube videos I am coming with different fingerings that suits my size fingers.

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Re: Where can I find Segovia's transcription of BWV 1001 Fuga?

Post by Vlad Kosulin » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:56 pm

Andrés Segovia. Classic Album for Guitar 1 (Ongaku No Tomo) has BVW 1001 with fingerings, but I do not think it is easy to find
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Re: Where can I find Segovia's transcription of BWV 1001 Fuga?

Post by soltirefa » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:35 pm

Compare these Segovia tempos.

LP

https://youtu.be/k4oWMZiDuug


White House

https://youtu.be/lOlvZFAGfaE

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Re: Where can I find Segovia's transcription of BWV 1001 Fuga?

Post by SteveL123 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:55 am

soltirefa wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:35 pm
Compare these Segovia tempos.

LP

https://youtu.be/k4oWMZiDuug


White House

https://youtu.be/lOlvZFAGfaE
The LP one is a semi tone sharp. I would assume Segovia's guitar was not tuned a semi tone sharp when the recording was made. I think something happened with the recording during play back/ copying which made it a semi tone sharp which made the tempo faster.

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Re: Where can I find Segovia's transcription of BWV 1001 Fuga?

Post by soltirefa » Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:42 am

The LP one is a semi tone sharp. I would assume Segovia's guitar was not tuned a semi tone sharp when the recording was made. I think something happened with the recording during play back/ copying which made it a semi tone sharp which made the tempo faster.
Good observation. I think you're right.

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Re: Where can I find Segovia's transcription of BWV 1001 Fuga?

Post by SteveL123 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:51 am

It was made with Orthophonic recording technology invented in 1925 and used up to the late 50's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_Red_Seal_Records

Segovia was listed as a recording artist of RCA Victor red seal.

On youtube, there are original recording's of Augustine Barrios's Allegro Solemne with unusually fast tempo. I am wondering if the fast tempo was also due to recording equipment issues through the years.

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Re: Where can I find Segovia's transcription of BWV 1001 Fuga?

Post by classicalcomp » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:45 am

How great is it to see Master Segovia on video. I wasn't aware these performances existed. Thank you
“(I was) my own teacher and pupil, and thanks to the efforts of both, they were not discontented with each other.”
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Re: Where can I find Segovia's transcription of BWV 1001 Fuga?

Post by SteveL123 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:18 am

Vlad Kosulin wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:56 pm
Andrés Segovia. Classic Album for Guitar 1 (Ongaku No Tomo) has BVW 1001 with fingerings, but I do not think it is easy to find
I looked but could not find it. Do you have a lead? TIA!

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