" -Hooked" - nails

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Re: " -Hooked" - nails

Post by Contreras » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:57 pm

I was sceptical about this, but tried it this morning.

It worked like a charm 🎼
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Re: " -Hooked" - nails

Post by Rasputin » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:12 pm

New method:

Heat a small quantity of raspberry jam on the hob or in the microwave
Spread the hot jam over the back of a plastic spoon
Using a paper towel, carefully wipe the jam from the very edge of the spoon
Place the spoon under the fingernail, being careful not to let it touch the fingernail until the edge of the spoon hits home
Apply firm and even upward pressure
Remove spoon
Lick jam from fingertips
Play guitar

For some reason it doesn't seem to work with strawberry jam

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Re: " -Hooked" - nails

Post by ddray » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:01 pm

SteveL123 wrote:
Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:12 pm
1.5 mm nails is not very long to get a spoon underneath to apply heat. As far as protecting the fingertips from burn, how about putting some masking tape over it?

Instead hot spoons, has anyone tried heating up a pair of pliers?
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Re: " -Hooked" - nails

Post by eno » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:39 pm

I have a slightly hooked m nail but I play with hand position at abouth 45deg with resp to strings (because I like the mellower and more silky sound of this position) and with this position the hook is never a problem. But if I try playing at higher angle closer to 90deg then yes, it starts hooking to the strings, but even if it would not hook, I can't stand the sharp sratchy sound that comes out from this position anyway (regardless if it's me playing or if listening to someone else scratchy playing).
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Re: " -Hooked" - nails

Post by 630mm » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:52 am

My thumb, index and middle were all very flat, thin, and hooked when I started growing them out to play guitar a few years ago. For me the ramp shape made the problem worse, because it practically eliminated one side of the nail and thus the strength and curvature of the nail. This meant constant fixes with China silk or fake nails. I would often have all natural nails for a week or two but then I would have to do one or more repairs. Now the thumbnail on my right hand has taken on a good arch and is very strong. Although tone took a hit, going away from the ramp and allowing the nail to grow out well past the nail bed has been the trick for me.

If you look at extreme examples of people who grow their nails very long, the nails will tend to grow out to a point and then start to spiral. Allowing a good amount of white on each edge of the nail and using a more rounded shape has completely changed the shape and strength of my nails.

It may have sounded slightly unsafe and barbaric when a previous poster advocated pushing the nail bed back at the finger tip to get a good shape and expose more white. I do think however that they were on to something. The drier white area on the nail at each side, at least for me, has been responsible for causing the nail to curve inward, eliminating the hook entirely and giving the nail strength.
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Re: " -Hooked" - nails

Post by 630mm » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:04 am

I think all of the suggestions so far will probably work at least temporarily. I've tried heating the nail, clamping the sides, Alaska picks, gluing on full arched nails, partial nails on top of and underneath the nail, nail envy, hard as hoof, vitamin e and so on. All were at least temporarily successful, but none permanently changed the shape and strength of my nail until I grew out the sides of the nail enough for the nail to take on an arch.
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Re: " -Hooked" - nails

Post by Sean Eric Howard » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:27 am

Scott Tennant recommends using two spoons. He explains in the video to the new edition of Pumping Nylon.
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Re: " -Hooked" - nails

Post by 630mm » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:53 pm

Would you mind giving a brief description of the process? I have an earlier version of pumping nylon.
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Re: " -Hooked" - nails

Post by Rasputin » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:26 pm

I also find that most suggestions work but only temporarily. I am wondering about gluing a false nail on once I have the shape right - that way it ought to stay where it's put a bit longer. Otherwise, hair relaxants / home perm kits might work, though I expect they would also weaken the nail.

I can't be bothered with the spoons every day - it is was a once a week job it would be worthwhile.

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Re: " -Hooked" - nails

Post by 630mm » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:29 am

I actually have a Kiss toe nail on my thumb right now after an unfortunate incident (reaching into the fridge for the milk). I'm liking this product a lot and I just adhere it to the top half of my nail. With lightly applied superglue it can be popped off if needed and later reapplied.
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Re: " -Hooked" - nails

Post by georgemarousi » Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:19 pm

630mm wrote:
Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:04 am
I think all of the suggestions so far will probably work at least temporarily. I've tried heating the nail, clamping the sides, Alaska picks, gluing on full arched nails, partial nails on top of and underneath the nail, nail envy, hard as hoof, vitamin e and so on. All were at least temporarily successful, but none permanently changed the shape and strength of my nail until I grew out the sides of the nail enough for the nail to take on an arch.
Hi "630mm" !

Since I am in the process of trying all those solutions too, could explain more what you mean "I grew out the sides of the nail enough for the nail to take on an arch." Is that compared with other solution (s) ? Do you have any photos?

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Re: " -Hooked" - nails

Post by robin loops » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:56 pm

georgemarousi wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:19 pm
630mm wrote:
Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:04 am
I think all of the suggestions so far will probably work at least temporarily. I've tried heating the nail, clamping the sides, Alaska picks, gluing on full arched nails, partial nails on top of and underneath the nail, nail envy, hard as hoof, vitamin e and so on. All were at least temporarily successful, but none permanently changed the shape and strength of my nail until I grew out the sides of the nail enough for the nail to take on an arch.
Hi "630mm" !

Since I am in the process of trying all those solutions too, could explain more what you mean "I grew out the sides of the nail enough for the nail to take on an arch." Is that compared with other solution (s) ? Do you have any photos?

Thanks!
I'm not sure exactly what he means by that, but I found that by not messing with the sides (as in not filing them down or pushing back the skin, not cleaning under the nail at the side, not rounding too much at the side, etc.) allowed them to grow back under the skin on the sides, which led to slightly better rounding.
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Re: " -Hooked" - nails

Post by Todd Tipton » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:33 pm

There are many comments and someone may have already suggested my solution. I always keep a lighter and silver spoon with me. Use the lighter to heat the spoon for about 10 seconds. Place the heated spoon under the nail allowing the nail to straighten out. I need to do this about every 2 days. It is a fast fix.

A word of caution: be careful doing this in public as it looks like you are doing something with illegal drugs...lol Amy still laughs at me every time she sees me do this...lol
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Re: " -Hooked" - nails

Post by 630mm » Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:37 pm

Hi. Yes, as the nails grow out the shape becomes much more curved. My right nail is now visibly more arched than my left. The white part of the nail as it shrinks and dries tends to pull the nail into an arch. The sides also seem to help prevent the middle from hooking downwards. I also highly recommend OPI Matte Nail Envy after you're happy with the shape. If you apply it on the hook it seems to lock-in that shape.
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Re: " -Hooked" - nails

Post by Jack Douglas » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:46 am

My nail care routine includes the heated spoon straightening process. In addition, I’ve changed my right hand position with the help of a teacher such that I’m playing more toward the center on the nail than off the left side. Straighter nails and improvement of tone!
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