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Sagreras Las Terceras Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Elías López Cruz » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:06 am

Hi! Happy New Year to all. I was looking at the terceras lecciones and found some minor errors. Lesson 2, bar 19 one before the last beat there is a C note, should be an A with finger 1.

Lesson 8, FIN is in bar 24 not in 16. That´s all for the moment. Greetings
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Re: Sagreras_Las_Terceras_Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Greg2 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:45 am

Bernhard,
Below are errors I found in Book 3, Lessons 1 through 20.
The remainder, lessons 21 through 38 will rapidly follow.
No playing guitar until the task is completed!
I will post my progress again tomorrow night.
Greg

Book 3

Lesson 1
Measure
4, 6, 7, 8 - half barre
7 open E on first string
11 - E on second string, full barre
14, 15 full barre

Lesson 2
Measure
1, 2 - right hand articulation
3 - full barre
4 - vague placement of string 3 mark?
5 - half barre
7 - full barre more comfortable
9 - first cord missing D; i articulation last D in measure
11 - left hand fingering first cord; adjust right hand articulation; full barre
12 - full barre
13 - first cord left hand fingering; full barre V and VI
14 - half barre
15 - right hand i articulation F on 2nd beat
16 - suggest clarifying low G on first eighth note is on string 6 but the rest are played open on string 5
16 - half barre; adjust barre dashed line
17 - low G played open on string 5; half barre
19 - 7th eigth note middle note is A not C with left hand fingering of 1
20 - base G is quarter note in original; half barre
21-24 - right hand fingering for lower notes

Lesson 3
All barres partial
Measure
5 - third beat left hand fingering 3
18, 19, 21, 22 - correct accent marks
27 - second beat D on open string
30 - adjust overlapping accent

Lesson 4
delete stray right hand articulation iai,ami above treble sign
Measure
1 - left hand fingerin 2 on B
2 - left hand fingering 3 on C, then 2 on B
3 - partial barre (4/6);
3, 4, 6 - adjust string markings
10 - partial barre; string marking (3) last note (C) in lower voice.
19 - partial barre (4/6)
24 - second eighth note of lower voice (A) - left hand fingering 3
26 - partial barre
27 - full barre
30 - partial barre (4/6)
32 - adjust measure spacing and placement of harmonic notations.

Lesson 5
Measure
1 - beat 7 - left hand fingering
2 - partial barre
3 - partial barrel; beat 4 adjust right hand articulation; beat 10 string designation
4 - beat 10 right hand articulation
5 - adjust guide for left hand finger 2
6 - full versus partial barre
8 - full vs. partial barre; beat 7 string designation
9 - beat 1 adjust left hand fingering; beats 1, 4,5,6, 10 adjust / add articulations
12 - beat 6 right hand articulation
13 - beat 4 adjust articulation; beat 10 adjust string designation
14 - full vs. partial barre; beats 4,5,6 adjust / add articulation
15- beats 3,4,6 string designations; partial barre; adjust barre designation position
16 - partial barr

Lesson 6
Requires extensive corrections, adjustments, additions to articulations (right and left hand) and string designations, guidelines throughout; nearly all measures.
Missing slurs measures 21, 23, 25, 29
Measure
11 - beat 3 missing partial IV barre
13 - adjust barre designation
20 - beat 2 add A
22 - beat 3 delete accidental
30 - beat 1 and 3 delete accidental
36 - adjust DC al fine

Lesson 7
Transcriber indicated repetitive right hand (RH) articulation with "simile". If not acceptable, will need RH articulations added to other measures.
Measure
1 - beat 3, third 16th note right hand articuation i
3 - beat 1 string designations

Lesson 8
Measure
6 - beat 2 adjust left hand (LH) articulation position
8 - beat 2,3 string for the E is 5 not 3
11 - guide line
12 - beat 2 and 3 - RH articulation is m m
13 - beat 1 LH artic for D#
14 - beat 3 RH artic
16 - delete "Fine"; beat 2 string designations
17 - beat 2,3 RH artic
19 - adjust position of string 5 designation
21, 22 adjust position of string 5 designation
23 - beatr 1 adjust position of string 5 designation
24 - add "Fine"
30 - beat 2 missing slur
32 - beat 3, LH articulation

Lesson 9
Transcriber indicated repetitive right hand (RH) articulation with "simile". If not acceptable, will need RH articulations added to other measures.
Adjust measure fit to match original starting with measure 7 ?
Measure
1, 2 - missing string designations
3 - missing string designations
4 - beat 1 adjust stem height or offset notes so low A can be seen
5 - beat 1 adjust stem height or offset notes so low A can be seen
5,6 - missing string designations
7 - beat 1 low F should have accidental # since barre at IV (not in original either)
7 - partial barre (4/6) -
8 - beat 1 extend partial IV barre line from prior measure; beat 1 string designation
9 - beat 1 adjust stem height or offset notes so low A can be seen
9 - beat 3 - string
10 - beat 1 string
11 - beat 1, 3 string
12 - beat 1 string
13 - beat 1 and 3 adjust stem height or offset notes
14 - beat 1 string
15 - beat 3 string
16 - beat 1 string

Lesson 10
Transcriber indicated repetitive right hand (RH) articulation with "sempre". If not acceptable, will need RH articulations added to other measures.
Measure
5,6 - adjust position of harmonic designators
14 - beat 4 harmonic at 14 "ar 14" (not "ar 12")

Lesson 11
Measure
5 - beat 3 string
7 - beat 2 string
18 - beat 1 delete RH articuation "1" at high E harmonic
21 - beat 3 string
23 - beat 2,3 string

Lesson 12
Adjust position of vertically oriented slur shape indicating use of RH thumb - adjustment needed in several measures
Measure
2 - beat 1 LH artic; delete guide line starting at beat 1; beat 1 and 3 adjust RH artic overlapping note head; full barre
4 - adjust position of string designations; full barre V; partial VII; guideline beat 1 to 3
6 - beat 1 change low A to half note; beat 3-4 string designation adjustment with line
7 - beat 1 adjust RH artic overlapping note head; beat 4 adjust position of LH artic
8 - beat 4 adjust RH artic overlapping note head;
9 - beat 1 adjust RH artic overlapping note head;
10, 11 - adjust overlapping articulations
12 - beat 3,4 RH artic
14 - partical barre
14, 15, 16 - adjust multiple overlapping articulations
15 - full VII barre, ajust line
16 - beat 3 guideline to beat 1 of measure 17
17 - beat 1 low E LH artic

Lesson 13
Measure
9, 10 - partial V barre, adjust position
11, 12 - beat 2 adjust artic
13 - partial barre
16 - adjust stem height lower voice
19 - beat 1 high G is quarter note not eight note; associate c with lower voice
20 - beat 1 - delete extra accent
26 - redo accent - add accent above upper note; delete accent overlapping lower notehead.

Lesson 14
Measure
2 - partial barre; adjust overlapping articulation and string markings
3 - adjust stem heights of lower voice
5 - beat 1 adjust string designation
6 - partial barre
7 - partial barre; adjust stem heigth lower voice
9 - beat 2 adjust overlapping articulation
10 - beat 2 can delete string designation
11 - partial barre; adjust overlapping articulations; adjust stem height lower voice
13 - partial V barre; partial VII barre; adjust string designation positionl add line after string 2
14 - lines after string designators
15 - partial V barre; beat 1 string designation
16 - beat 2 partial V barre

Lesson 15
Measure
1 - partial II barre, adjust position
5 - partial VII barre, adjust position
7 - beat 2 partial II barre adjust position
9 - partial II barre
11 - full VII barre
12 - beat 3 string
13 - beat 1 adjust articulations
14 - beat 1 adjust articulations
15 - full barre
16 - beat 1 adjust articulations; partial barre

Lesson 16
Adjust positions of RH articulations
Measure
9 - beat 1 ajust articulation
11 - beat 2, first note of triple is double sharp F
16 - partial barre
20 - beat 2 RH articulation lower note (p)
22 - beat 2 RH articulation lower note (p)
23 - partial barre; add line
27 - last note guideline to first note in measure 28

Lesson 17
Measure
9 - full VII barre; move IV barre indication to next measure
10 - partial IV barre;p beat 2 adjust articulations
11 - adjust position of "diminuendo"
13 - beat 3 correct grace note RH articulation
15 - adjust position of "crescendo"; beat 3 LH articulations
16 - adjust position of "risoluto"; full II barre, add line
17 - beat 2 RH artic; adjust LH artic

Lesson 18
Measure
4 - beat 3, hide one of the rests?
5 - beat 2 string designation
7 - beat 1 adjust rest position
8 - beat 1 correct LH fingering ("3" not "4") at A
8 - beat 2 correct LH fingering ("2" not 3) at B
(transcriber may have thought his was better fingering than original, but I did not detect any error in the original when I played it as written in the original. Original intends LH 2 to move from F# to B).
10 - adjust guideline
14 - beat 2 - correct LH fingering: 3 on A and 2 on E
15 - beat 1 LH fingering for A (2)
18 - Partial V barre
19 - beat 2 RH and LH artic
20 - partial V barre
24 - full II barre; beat 1 adjust string
27 - beat 2, 3 RH artic

Lesson 19
Measure
6 - beat 3 RH artic
13 - partial III barre; beat 1 and 3 correct and adjust position of articulations and string
14 - guideling beat 2 to 3
16 - partial X barre
17, 18, 21, 22 - tie all eigth notes as in original?
17 - partial I barre
18 - partial V barre
21 - partial I barre
22 - partial V barre
23 - beat 1 full III barre; beat 3 full III barre
24 - full V barre
27 - partial II barre
32 - partial I barre

Lesson 20
Missing slurs in measures 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12
Missing guide lines measures 13, 14
Measure
4 - baet 1 lower note correct to Low A
10 - beat 3 correct articulationss

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Re: Sagreras_Las_Terceras_Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Bernhard Heimann » Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:05 am

Thank you, Greg.
I'll make the corrections as soon as I have finished the work on book 2 (currently in progress).

Bernhard

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Re: Sagreras_Las_Terceras_Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Greg2 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:41 am

Bernhard,
Lessons 21 through 31.
Greg


Lesson 21
Barres and associated lines need to be adjusted in position
Measure
3 - beat 2 adjust right hand articulation
5 - beat 1-1&-a agree with left hand fingering 4, 4, 2 (change from original)
5 - beat 2& correct left hand fingering to 3 for G and 1 for D
10 - beat 1&a left hand articulation (1)
12 - beat 1 left hand articulation: C 1 low E 2
13 - beat 2 string (2)
15 - beat 1 low note is D not E.

Lesson 22
RH articulations abreviated by "simile" for measures 3 to 8
Measure
1 - beat 2 left hand articulation for low D# is 1 not 3
8 - beat 1 low B is a quarter note in original but original lacks quarter rest - judgment call.
measure fit differs from original starting with measure 10
11 - beat 2 - original a bit confusing; I interpret it returns to first position with B on string 3 with LH finger 3, D on string 2 with LH finger 2, and open E on string 1.
13 - beat 1 option for Barre to extend from prior measure - appears to be optional
14 - beat 2 low B is fingered wtih LH 2
14 - guideline from G to B
16 - beat 2 adjuste ar12
18 - RH articulation "simile"
24 - beat 1 RH articulation 2
30 - beat 1 triplet notes 2 and 3 RH articulation 0 0; second triplet RH articulation 3 for the high B.

Lesson 23
Measure
10 - adjust guideline
12 - adjust barre
13- beat 2 delete string (3) under high C
14 - delete stray lines; beat 2 adjust string designations position
17 - beat 2 low E RH articulation is 3 (not 2) - allows for shift to F with same finger
22 - beat 1 adjust partial barre III; beat 1& missing partial barre V which extends into measure 23.
23 - beat 2, 3 B on open string
25 - beat 1 adjust string designation
29 - adjust position of partial barre V
31 - beat 2 - adjust string designation positions - F on string 3, G on string 2

Lesson 24
Adjust positions of barre and associated lines
Measure
1, 3, 5 - beat 2 is B not A
7 - string designations
9 - beat 3 string designation (3)
12 - beat 3 left hand articulation (1) for D
13 - beat 3 adjust LH articulation position
16 - beat 1 LH articulation for F is 3 (not 2)
17 - beat 3 string designation for C is 3.
18 - beat 2 correct LH articulation for grace note D 2; E 2
18 - beat 3 correct LH articulation F 2, A 1
19 - beat 1 middle note is G (not B)
19 - beat 3 - move LF (2) articulation from E to over the D
20 - beat 2, 3 LH articulation is 2 for A and 1 for E
21 - beat 1 initial grace note is E not F; LH articulation for D is 3 (not 2)
21 - beat 2, RH articulation (m) for A
21 - beat 3 LH articulation for C natural is 2 (not 1)
24 - beat 1 string (3)
24 - beat 2 correct LH articulation 3 for middle E, 2 for low B
25 - beat 2 adjust string and articulation positions
26 - beat 1 - first upper voice note is C not A
27 - beat 1 extend barre line from prior measure
27 - beat 3 eighth rest; beat 3& missing low E
29 - adjust barre
30 - beat 1 - first upper voice note is C not A
31 - beat 2 extend barre line from prior measure
31 - adjust partial VII barre to start with beat 3
31 - beat 2 LH articulation for C is 1 (barre at IX)
31 - beat 3 LH articulation for B is 1


Lesson 25
All barres and associated lines need adjustments
Measure
1 (pick up) - move string (3) to first beat
3 - beat 1 low note is G not C
3 - beat 1 LH articulation for E is 2
4 - beat 1 low D string (5)
5 - beat 2 string (2) and LH artic (4)
12 - beat 2 string for G is (4) not (2)
18 - beat 2 string for C is (3)
25 - barre line moved to end after beat 1
28 - beat 1 - LH fingering low G 1, mid G 3, C 4
28 - beat 2 barre at VIII works better as a partial barre
29, 30 - string designations
31 - beat 1 string designation
32 - beat 3 - accidental (natural) is not in original but I agree it sounds better.
32, 33 - suggesting holding the full barre at VIII throughout.

Lesson 26
Missing Key signature for A major - will change the accidentals
Measures incorrect. Transcriber did not start with pick-up measure. Entire piece will have to be adjusted.
Measure (as in current version)
10-11 LH aritculations
12-13 - guideline
13 - beat 1 fourth sixteenth note is C not D

Lesson 27
Note stems from lesson 26 overlap barre in lesson 27
Measure
3 - partial barre
6 - full barre
8 - partial barre
9 -partial barre
10 - full barre
11 - full barre
12 - full barre
13 - partial barre
15 - full barre
16 partial barre
16 - beat 1 upper voice is E not B

Lesson 28
Measure
1 - beat 3 delete double sharp from F; insert LH articulation 3
3,4 - guidelines
5 - partial barre
6 - partial barre
7 - partial barre
13 - beat 2 adjust position of articulations
13 - partial barre
14 partial barre
16 - full barre
20 - partial barre; adjust rest overlapping string (2)

Lesson 29
This lesson indicates trills but appears to only indicate which LH finger to use, not the specific note. I assume 2 4 indicates whole tone, 2 3 half tone, etc.
Measure
1 - beat 1 trill indicate with LH finger 4
2 - partial barre
3 - beat 1 trill 4
5 - beat 1 trill 4
6 - beats 2, 3 articulations need to be adjusted to be clearer (string, LH, RH)
7 - beat 1 trill 4
8 - partial barre
9 - beat 1, low voice is D (above middle C) not A.
9 - beat 1 trill 4
10 - beat 3 LH for A is 2 not 3
11 - beat 1 trill 3
13 - partial barre
13 - beat 1 trill 4
14 - partial barre
15 - partial barre
15 - beat 2 LH artic for C is 2 not 3
16 - beat 2 adjust articulation positions


Lesson 30
Measure (pick up measure is 1)
3 - partial barre
4 - full barre
7 - partial barre
8 - full barre
12 - partial barre
15 - partial barre
16 - full barre VII and IV

Lesson 31
Measure
1 - beat 3, second sixteenth note string 3 not 2
2 - partial barre
6 - partial barre
6 - beat 3, second eigth note articulations LH 4, string 2
14 - beat 2 second eighth note LH 1 for high C
15 - partial barre

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Re: Sagreras_Las_Terceras_Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Bernhard Heimann » Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:22 am

Thank you Greg - I'll go to work as soon as my time allows.

Bernhard

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Re: Sagreras_Las_Terceras_Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Greg2 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:25 am

Bernhard,
Lessons 32 through 38.
Now I can play guitar again!
Greg


Lesson 32
I like the triplet formatting.
adjust position of RH articulations (m, i) at end of measures: 5, 6, 9, 11, 12, 13, 14
Measure
5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 15 - partial barre

Lesson 33
adjust barre and line positions
Measure
3 - beat 1 triplet last note string designation (3)
7 - beat 3 adjust articulation positions
11 - beat 2& missing RH articulations B and F
13 - beat 1& triplet, last note of triplet is C
15 - beat 1& triplet last note RH articulation is (i)
15 - beat 2& F note LH and string
16 - full barre
16 - end lines, no repeat

Lesson 34
Beams of lower voice in measures 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15
Adjust barre and line positions
several barres are 5/6 barres - full versus partial designation
Measure
1 - beats 1, 2 LH articulations
3 - beat 1 adjust articulation positions
3 - beat 3e - string (3) and LH 3
4 - beat 2 D# is half note in original
10 - beat 3 first note string (3)
14 - full barre

Lesson 35
Adjust barre and line positions
Measure
1 - adjust articulation position overlapping "Andantino"
4 - partial V barre
6 - full barre
7 - full barre
8 - delete stray CV
13- beat 1 adjust overlap with rest
18-19 - guide line; consider repositioning LH articuation position
20 - beat 1 adjust overal with rest
26, 27 - guide line
29 - full barre
29 - beat 2 LH articulatio for B

Lesson 36
adjust accidental positions relative to note head
adjust positoins of barre and lines
Measure
1 (pick up) - string designation (2)
2 - delete redundant string designation
3 - beat 1 RH articulatoin (a) foor high E
3 - beat 1& LH articulation (2) for E
4 - beat 1& string is (2) (not 3)
4 - beat 3 string (2) for high E
7-8 guideline D to E
8 - beat 3 string designations
16 - guideline

Lesson 37
adjust barre and line positions
Measure
1, 3 - RH articulation (m, i) last two notes of beat 1
3 - ? hide quarter rest?
8 - beat 1, articulations for G (a ^)
15 - beat 2 slur, adjust note head spacing
17 - beat 1 RH artic (m) for third note (A)
21 - slur
24 - flup stems
31 - beat 2 slur; adjust note head spacing

Lesson 38
time signature 2/4
adjust barre and line positions
Measure
3 - partial barre
4 - full barre
4 - beat 1 low A string (6)
11 - partial barre
12 - beat 2 low A LH articulation (3)
13 - partial vs full barre
13 - beat 2 LH articulations
16 - beat 2 low A LH articulation (3)
18 - full vs partial barre
20 - low A on string (6) (not in original but consistent)
20 - beat 2 string (4) for A
25 - beat 2 string (3) for C
27 - beat 2 string for E (2) D(3)
28 - beat 2, first note A LH is 3 (not 2)
32- beat 3 C LH articulation (3)
32 - beat 2 string designation for E and C

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Re: Sagreras_Las_Terceras_Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Bernhard Heimann » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:20 pm

Hi Greg,

thank you, your job is done.
If you should like to go on working (at a slower pace) you could also typeset some of the works.
If so, please let me know and I'll say where to continue.

For me there's still some work waiting ... the corrections have to be made and there
are some other tasks to be completed for the edition of the "Lecciones", too. :D

But the time for playing guitar will come again...

Greetings
Bernhard

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Re: Sagreras_Las_Terceras_Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Denis Paradis » Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:07 pm

While checking one of Juan's note I fell upon these two mistakes in lesson 26:

1. Missing II second position indication at measure 10 (the correct one taking into account the pick-up as pointed out above).

2. Both "G" notes are natural in that same measure in the original.
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Re: Sagreras Las Terceras Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Jean-François Delcamp » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:13 am

Book 3 :

Lesson 3
Measure 11 third beat alto : D (not E)

Lesson 7
Measure 6, 7, 8 deuxième double croche manquante

Lesson 12
Measure 5 blanche à la basse
Measure 19 2éme croche LA (et non SI) à la basse

Lesson 18
dernière mesure soprano MI (et non RE)

Lesson 24
Measure 6 3éme temps, noire (et non croche)

Lesson 24
mesure 27 soprano DO# (et non LA)

Lesson 27
mesure 12 dernière double croche soprano RE# (et non MI)

Lesson 27
dernière mesure 2ème noire, soprano MI (et non DO#)

Lesson 33
mesure 10 soprano 2éme et 3éme temps, DO (et non LA)

Lesson 35
mesure 1 alto 2éme double croche, MI (et non LA)

Lesson 37
mesure 5 alto soprano 4éme croche, SI-RE# (et non SOL#-SI)

Lesson 37
mesure 7 soprano 4éme croche, FA# (et non SOL)

Lesson 37
mesure 14 alto 4éme double croche, LA (et non SOL)


Plus quelques corrections de doigtés.

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Re: Sagreras Las Terceras Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by StephenF » Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:36 pm

Lesson 31, measure 15: Last F in the measure should revert back to natural.

Lesson 33, measure 15: Low B should be 6th string unless you've got monster stretch.
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Re: Sagreras Las Terceras Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Bernhard Heimann » Sat Aug 06, 2016 8:57 am

Hi Stephen,

thank you for your diligence.
The last F in measure 15 of lesson 31
Sagreras_3_L_31_M15.JPG
is a F natural, since the accidental of the low F in the same measure
has no effect on the one an octave higher.

Your change for lesson 33 is o.k., I'll send the corrected source file to Prof. Delcamp for publication.

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Re: Sagreras Las Terceras Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by StephenF » Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:13 pm

I learned something new once again.

Somehow I thought accidentals changed all of the same notes in the same measure regardless of octave.

Thanks again.
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