Sagreras_Las_Cuartas_Lecciones for proof-readers

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Sagreras_Las_Cuartas_Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Bernhard Heimann » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:37 pm

Hello Denis,

you can start right here with "Las Cuartas Lecciones" (see PDF file above)
If you find an error, please post it here, indicating lesson and measure/beat and type of error.
Of course, you can report more than one error per post - I hope that there aren't too many :)

There's no special format necessary - I'll make the correction(s) directly in the Finale file(s).

Thank you very much for your will to cooperate and help with proofreading.
Bernhard

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Re: Sagreras_Las_Cuartas_Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Denis Paradis » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:14 am

Bernhard Heimann wrote:Hello Denis,

you can start right here with "Las Cuartas Lecciones" (see PDF file above)
If you find an error, please post it here, indicating lesson and measure/beat and type of error.
OK :wink:
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Re: Sagreras_Las_Cuartas_Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Denis Paradis » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:46 pm

Lesson 1

Part 1

Measure 2 and 4 2nd beat we are missing the string indication (4) they can be seen the in a similar phrase in measure 18
Lesson1One.jpg
Lesson1Two.jpg
Part 2

There is a double sharp missing in measure 25 on the second beat in the second to last staff... But that might be because of an error in the original?
Lesson1Three.jpg
Lesson1Four.jpg
Part 3

There is a missing sharp in the first measure last beat of the last staff but I think it can stay this way, since it follows the modern writing convention of not repeating an accident in a new measure the G was set to natural in the previous measure...

I will not report these errors in the next lessons (if you agree on the above), this was just to show I did notice the difference :wink:
Lesson1Five.jpg
Lesson1six.jpg
Lesson1seven.jpg
Part 4

There is an extraneous string indication (2) on the second beat of measure 29 we are in first position that high C can only be played on that string, not present in the original.
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Re: Sagreras_Las_Cuartas_Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Denis Paradis » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:48 pm

Lesson 1

Part 5

First beat of measure 31 there is an extraneous string indication (1) the "0" zero above means the same thing... Also not found in the original.

Another issue in the same measure in the last beat (same two pictures below) this time up the "0" is extraneous...

The original shows the same information with two methods, in the copy the two methods are displayed, makes the layout a little too busy no?
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Post by Denis Paradis » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:54 pm

Lesson 2

Part 1

There are two sets of two measures for which the proposed fingerings differ between the original and the copy:

Meas 1 and 2:

The sequence in the original is 1, 3, 4, 3, 1 for measure one then 1, 2, 4, 2, 1 in meas. two

In the copy we have 1, 2, 4, 3, 1 for meas. one and then 1, 2, 4, 3, 1 in meas. two.
fingering1.jpg
fingering2.jpg

Meas 16 and 17:


The sequence in the original is 3, 1, 3, 1 for measure 16 then 1, 2, 4, 4, 3, 1 in meas. 17

In the copy we have 3, 1, 4, 1 for meas. 16 and then (Missing 1 on the bass G), 1, 3, 4, 3, 1 in meas. 17.
fingering3.jpg
fingering4.jpg
I know that M. Delcamp sometimes shifts fingerings intentionally, should I report on them for the remainder?

Part 2

Two sharps added in meas. 23 on D and E absent from the original.
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Post by Denis Paradis » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:01 pm

Lesson 3

Part 1

There is a typo in one (2 instead of 3) and a missing string indication (3) in the first beat of measure 9.
String1.jpg
String2.jpg
*Although the repeat of (3) could be omitted as was done in meas. 11

Part 2

There is a missing finger indication (a) on the last beat of measure 18
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Part 3

There is an inverted right hand fingering in measure 22's second beat m, i, a instead of i, m, a
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Part 4

The C5 position marker is misplaced, can it be lowered a bit?
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Re: Sagreras_Las_Cuartas_Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Bernhard Heimann » Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:45 am

Hi Denis,

thank you so much for your excellent work up to now.
I'll have a look through your corrections later today, make them in the original Finale manuscript or leave them for
Prof. Delcamp to decide where it is questionable. The way you report errors is great - I am glad that you have joined us. :D

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Re: Sagreras_Las_Cuartas_Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Juan Bta. Gimeno » Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:17 pm

Bernhard, I was wondering about the corrections done by proofreaders, because sometimes "I" and guess other copiers have corrected original because of "impossible" fingering and/or to many repeats of same string and/or fingering.... This may lead proofreaders to consider an error where it is product of study of the score. Myself I've played most of the lessons I've copied and checked very carefully with hands on guitar, whether original is right or "could" be a mistake.

BTW Lesson 30 is a complete nightmare but it'll be posted today.
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Re: Sagreras_Las_Cuartas_Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Denis Paradis » Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:52 pm

Bernhard Heimann wrote:The way you report errors is great -
Glad you like it, the downside to it is that I cannot be too productive, expect one or two lessons a day depending on the number of issues...

As For Juan's concern, although I don't have a guitar in hand when proof reading, I do imagine myself playing the part and report on the left hand fingering accordingly.

I don't go as far as imagining my right hand though :D


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Re: Sagreras_Las_Cuartas_Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Denis Paradis » Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:00 pm

Lesson 4

Part 1

First measure, 2nd beat there are to missing right hand finger indications.
finger1.jpg
finger2.jpg
*Same issue in meas. 5 which is an identical phrase.

Part 2

Measure 3 first beat there are two missing left hand fingerings -1- they would help (me at least :) )

*They do not need to be repeated though (as was done in original) for last beat. The same was done (no repeat) in the copy for the previous measure and I did not report it, makes for a less busy layout.
Lfinger3.jpg
Lfinger4.jpg
Part 3

There is a missing thumb indication -p- on the last beat of measure 4
Tfinger5.jpg
Tfinger6.jpg
Part 4

There are missing string indications (2) & (3) in meas. 6 the phrase is identical to meas. 2 we should find the same string indications.
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Part 5

Measure 7 first beat there is a missing string indication (3).
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Post by Denis Paradis » Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:07 pm

Lesson 4

Part 6

In measure 10 first beat there are 2 missing left hand finger indications -1-
finger10.jpg
finger11.jpg
Part 7

In measure 12 first beat, one too many string indication (4)
string13.jpg
Part 8

Measure 13, there are two (3) & (2) missing string indications in beats one and two.
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string15.jpg
Part 9

In measure 15 left hand fingering -1- should be added ( I think) on first beat for consistency and clarity... In the original it was repeated in the last beat.
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Re: Sagreras_Las_Cuartas_Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Bernhard Heimann » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:29 am

Thank you, Denis.

I hope that during the weekend I'll find time to make the changes and document them.
And I also wrote to Juan, that in some cases where I'm not sure about the fingerig I reach for the guitar.
Please keep on your work.

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Re: Sagreras_Las_Cuartas_Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Denis Paradis » Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:43 pm

Bernhard Heimann wrote:Thank you, Denis.

I hope that during the weekend I'll find time to make the changes and document them.
No worries, I have a few weeks of work left before I reach lesson 31 :wink:

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Re: Sagreras_Las_Cuartas_Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Denis Paradis » Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:52 pm

Lesson 5

Part 1

in the first beat of measures 1- 3- 5- 9- 11 -13- 15- 17- 29- 25 and 27 there seems to be a problem with the font for the various indications , it is 2 to 3 points smaller (8 or 9 Pt vs 10 or 11) than in the remainder of the document .
Font1.jpg
Part 2

There is a missing right hand finger indication -m- in the 3rd beat of measure 5.
missing3.jpg
missing4.jpg
Part 3

There is an extraneous finger indication -2- in the last beat of measure 6, it is present in the original, but to be consistent with previous lessons it can be omitted.
extra5.jpg
Part 4

There is a missing -a- right finger indication on the first beat of measure 7 (looks more logical above "m" as opposed to under in the original ?)
Rfinger6.jpg
Rfinger7.jpg
Part 5

Two issues here, firstly, there are two string indications (4) & (3) missing in the third beat of measure 15.

Secondly, there are two accidentals, natural G and C sharp not present in the original? (*Disregard, see edit below)
String8.jpg
String9.jpg
Remainder of partition looks OK I spotted a few missing left finger indication but the position marker was clear enough on those occasions.

Cheers,

Denis

* EDIT: Back home I tried it on the guitar and M. Delcamp is right (as often is the case :) ) it was an error on the original
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Re: Sagreras_Las_Cuartas_Lecciones for proof-readers

Post by Denis Paradis » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:53 am

*Beware out of sequence

Lesson 2 new issue


I found a similar issue in Lesson 6 so I backtracked to see if I had missed it in previous lessons... Found it only in lesson 2...

Missing the time signature.
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