Peskyendeavour wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:02 pm
I haven't posted a while but I don't think I am going to really post any of my recordings. Even though you so kindly taught me how to and all the apps that can be on my phone. I use it now more as a self critic exercise which I have found very helpful to my practice.
I somehow don't feel I'm ready nor comfortable for the world to have anything I play in a permanent form. I play for my own enjoyment and to be honest too shy to have something recorded out in the open. Somehow playing in a concert live, is different, whatever mistakes, however good or bad it goes, it shall pass. I haven't quite gotten my head over the permanence of recordings, and that you can go over and over it. Of course of the greats and others, I enjoy greatly, I like listening to others, but I can't honestly say that of myself. I enjoy the playing bit, the expressing part, the practicing part even, but listening back makes me feel awkward somehow. I find that I can learn from others, and their playing.... but somehow I doubt I would add anything to that myself, other than make others cringe.
So I continue my trek of: Record, listen, learn, delete.
I'm now on number 12! Having done/ played as best as I could all before that. (I'm also really enjoying Op35 as well as 60... and some Carcassi too... just beautiful, all of them) Amazing that you are on 19 and doing so well, sounding good!
There was mention of staccato and ponticello techniques earlier, Wondering if there is a "right way" of doing this and practicing this, Even going through the Kappel bible there isn't anything about staccato exactly. (Think it was Stephen playing)
I would love to hear an unedited version of your playing, Jorge, with the warts and all, perhaps pretending that you are playing in a concert (perhaps of earlier pieces?) - I see this was raised as a point earlier. From my perspective, purely because I think folk are now all hung up on accuracy and recordings being perfect, but we forget that CDs a lot of them are edited and not straight recording affairs. I have great respect for recordings of concerts, such as those of Carles Trepat done live, recordings of Rob Mackillop on You Tube, (mostly?) done as one take and very accepting of mistakes (not many though must say!) just taken in his stride. Because of the art of editing people now forget that we are all human, and mistakes are normal. To the point where going to a John Williams Concert is a disappointment because it wasn't as good as his recording. That's sad and to an extent wrong. I think it is great that artists like Sean Shibe, I went to his festival event, where he played such technically tricky pieces and of the whole hour of playing he made one single mistake, and it wasn't even a wrong note as such, just that the note didn't come out clean. Ok, these are professionals so don't compare them with us learners, but the point I'm trying to make is that I think people in general should be more accepting of the human-ness of all of us, and even professionals make mistakes, maybe fewer but they do. Segovia have mistakes recorded in live recordings, but does it detract from his playing? no, his musicality shone through all the same.
In that sense I do prefer to hear recordings as if of a live performance even if they have mistakes in. But perhaps all that non-acceptance of mistakes, and that others are expecting "perfectly edited recordings" is what adding to putting me off forever posting any of my one take recordings. Ok, on top of being shy anyway... - that doesn't help.
So what I'm saying is, not so much there is a right or wrong to editing or not, but the mindset is thus, and I therefore shrink away from it.
That said I'm really enjoying Sor, and thanks for starting me on this programme and having friends to share progress is definitely fun.
Glad to know that you are still around and progressing in your studies of Sor's Opus 60 little pieces (already on the #12?! Uau!...
). Post them if you want - you would be receiving pleasant, encouraging, useful and constructive advice - but that is up to you naturally. I'm also a bit shy when I'm in front of microphone or an audience, be they friends or family, things never come out straight and clean. But then, I'm not a professional, I don't intend ever recording anything for sale (well, not entirely true, I participated on a "single" disk when I was 17 years old - in those days they were still made of vinyl - but it was not classic guitar, it was on Coimbra Song, a student's folk from the University of Coimbra here in Portugal), I just play for the fun of it and sharing my renditions with a limited number of friends such as those actively engaged in this Topic, and listening to their comments and encouragements gives me great pleasure and strength to go on.
Answering to your request, I'm posting the raw file (.wav) as extracted from my iPhone of my latest rendition of Sor, Fernando - Opus 60 #19
. You can download this file and open it with an audio editor - Audacity, for example - and you will see that I did not play the piece straight away. There are lots of false starts, small sections where I made a mistake and decided to replay it again, missing notes, abrupt ends, etc... The whole record took me almost 5 minutes to finish but, by the end, though I had lots of material that had to be discarded, I was sure I had enough good pieces that I could stitch together with Audacity into a seamless and reasonably "clean" rendition of the #19 (only 1' 38") that I could post for our friends in this forum to listen and comment. And so they did and I'm now preparing a second version taking already in considerations the good advice they provided. This V2 will surely be better than the first one and that is the way I progress in these studies. Meanwhile, I've started already with the #20...
. By the way, you can use my file to play around with it using Audacity and see how it works. If you experience insurmountable obstacles, send me a private message and I'll try to help you to overcome them. Then you can do the same with one of your own records and show me the result if you feel you don't want to post it directly.
Does it means that I've already learned how to play the #19? Yes, for sure, I know it all by heart (I'm a poor sight reader) and I can play it within a given tempo from start to end... with mistakes
. And even if I don't make blatant mistakes nobody can say that I'm already playing it well, at least not yet. Some more perfection will come with time. As part of my daily practice I play once or twice all the Opus 60 pieces I've learned so far. This prevents me from forgetting them, and also, I keep on perfecting them. As a result, if I were to record today some of them - namely, the #1-#4, #6-#10, #13-#15 - you would not see a raw file with so many mistakes or hesitations as you can find in the #19 (or all the others not part of this list, the more you advance in the Opus, the more demanding the pieces become). In summary, practising, recording, editing, posting, humbly listening to the comments with an open mind, back to practice, etc... that's what I do and I feel this method has helped me a lot to progress.
Best regards and keep on with your good work,