D'Addario Two-Way Humidification System question

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Re: D'Addario Two-Way Humidification System question

Post by Aucaman » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:15 am

I hate to say this, but I eventually gave up on this D'Addario system. The pouches became hard as a rock and I was never convinced they were doing their job. I've read all the approaches you guys have been using, I tried this, I tried that but, no clear result. SO !!! ..... not for me.

I am happily back with dear old Oasis Humidifiers. I understand them and they work for me.
I'm about to throw the D'Addario humidifiers in the trash

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Re: D'Addario Two-Way Humidification System question

Post by cedartop » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:02 am

Aucaman wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:15 am
The pouches became hard as a rock and I was never convinced they were doing their job.
The pouches are supposed to become hard as rocks. That is the indication that it is time to change them. But to each his own. My experiments with hygrometers in the case have satisfied me as to their effectiveness.
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Re: D'Addario Two-Way Humidification System question

Post by JohnB » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:15 pm

Aucaman wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:15 am
I hate to say this, but I eventually gave up on this D'Addario system. The pouches became hard as a rock and I was never convinced they were doing their job. I've read all the approaches you guys have been using, I tried this, I tried that but, no clear result. SO !!! ..... not for me.
I don't want to appear as an advocate for the Humidipak system, but I would like to clear up any confusion. The packs do become rock hard once they have dried out, i.e. given out all the water that they originally held. This indicates that they have, in fact been humidifying the case/guitar. One factor is that when the packs are first used with a case/guitar that hasn't been humidified and which is in a dry-ish environment the packs will dry out much quicker than normal - as they have to humidify the inside of the case and guitar. Once they have done that the rate at which they dry out should decrease.

Personally, I recharge the packs before they go hard, on the basis that once they are hard they are no longer doing their job.

By the way, I said "Humidipak system" rather than "D'Addario system" because the current D'Addario soundhole pouch system is totally unsuitable for classical guitars - I use the Boveda guitar pouches.

An example of the effectiveness of the system I've attached a chart showing the RH within the guitar body (the top mauvish line), the ambient RH (the blue line) and the ambient temperature (bottom red line). If you click on the image it will open in a new browser window and be much clearer.
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Re: D'Addario Two-Way Humidification System question

Post by acmost9 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:01 pm

I recently bought the two way D'Addario system thing, I just can’t get into sticking anything in the sound hole though so I stuck one under the headstock and the double bag in the accessory compartment. My house has been at like 20-27% and the Gator case, since I’ve started this(a week ago) has gotten up to 40% by the headstock so I'm convinced it works, although I have a feeling having the bags in the accessory compartment isn’t doing much except humidifying the compartment. I’ve considered losing the lid to the compartment, I dunno. Maybe I’ll check out the Boveda bags if they're smaller and go for it but that makes me nervous although I know there’s a lot of folks with spendier instruments than mine who do it.

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Re: D'Addario Two-Way Humidification System question

Post by SteveL123 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:39 pm

JohnB wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:15 pm

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By the way, I said "Humidipak system" rather than "D'Addario system" because the current D'Addario soundhole pouch system is totally unsuitable for classical guitars - I use the Boveda guitar pouches.
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What are the differences between the D'Addario Humidipak soundhole system vs the Boveda Humidipak soundhole system? The size of the packs seems to be the same per info I was able to find.

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Re: D'Addario Two-Way Humidification System question

Post by JohnB » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:42 pm

The main difference is with the soundhole pouch arrangement. D'Addario USED to use a "saddlebag" where each of the two "bags" contained a humidipaks and the saddlebag was draped over the G and D strings, with the "bags" containing the humipaks inserted into the guitar between the B & G and D & A strings.

Some time ago they replaced this system. With new new system there is a single much larger pouch made out of leak resistant material for the soundhole. The top of the pouch is wrapped over a hard plastic rod and the rod is then clipped into a piece of hard plastic which is supposed to clip between two strings, suspending the pouch. Ths arrangement might be fine for steel string guitars but with nylon strings are much more flexible and there is the risk of the hard plastic coming into contact with the top of the guitar, causing marks.

The Boveda system is two sets of saddlebags made from very flexible leak resistant material. One saddlebag is for the soundhole (much like the old D'Addario system) and the other for the headstock.
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Re: D'Addario Two-Way Humidification System question

Post by SteveL123 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:05 pm

Here's a pic of the D'Addario system I have which is made by Boveda for D'Addario. The gel pak inserts are 3.5" x 5.2", same size as the paks on Boveda's site https://bovedainc.com/store/music/guitar-starter-kit/

Is my D'Addario system different than the Boveda system other than the color of the outer bags?
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Re: D'Addario Two-Way Humidification System question

Post by souldier » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:21 pm

SteveL123 wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:05 pm
Here's a pic of the D'Addario system I have which is made by Boveda for D'Addario. The gel pak inserts are 3.5" x 5.2", same size as the paks on Boveda's site https://bovedainc.com/store/music/guitar-starter-kit/

Is my D'Addario system different than the Boveda system other than the color of the outer bags?
Steve, you have the latest system where there are 2 compartments that drape over the strings, but I believe they also have a leak proof lining inside? What you have is similar to the Boveda style, but may be slightly different in look and dimensions, but is essentially the same idea. The large single pouch JohnB is referring to I am guessing was phased out due to many of the complaints people had.
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Re: D'Addario Two-Way Humidification System question

Post by souldier » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:24 pm

JohnB wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:42 pm
The main difference is with the soundhole pouch arrangement. D'Addario USED to use a "saddlebag" where each of the two "bags" contained a humidipaks and the saddlebag was draped over the G and D strings, with the "bags" containing the humipaks inserted into the guitar between the B & G and D & A strings.

Some time ago they replaced this system. With new new system there is a single much larger pouch made out of leak resistant material for the soundhole. The top of the pouch is wrapped over a hard plastic rod and the rod is then clipped into a piece of hard plastic which is supposed to clip between two strings, suspending the pouch. Ths arrangement might be fine for steel string guitars but with nylon strings are much more flexible and there is the risk of the hard plastic coming into contact with the top of the guitar, causing marks.

The Boveda system is two sets of saddlebags made from very flexible leak resistant material. One saddlebag is for the soundhole (much like the old D'Addario system) and the other for the headstock.
JohnB, take a look at Steve's picture. I believe this has now replaced the single large pouch system that you were talking about and went back to a two pouch system, but now with a leak proof lining inside.
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Re: D'Addario Two-Way Humidification System question

Post by SteveL123 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:33 pm

souldier wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:21 pm
SteveL123 wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:05 pm
Here's a pic of the D'Addario system I have which is made by Boveda for D'Addario. The gel pak inserts are 3.5" x 5.2", same size as the paks on Boveda's site https://bovedainc.com/store/music/guitar-starter-kit/

Is my D'Addario system different than the Boveda system other than the color of the outer bags?
Steve, you have the latest system where there are 2 compartments that drape over the strings, but I believe they also have a leak proof lining inside? What you have is similar to the Boveda style, but may be slightly different in look and dimensions, but is essentially the same idea. The large single pouch JohnB is referring to I am guessing was phased out due to many of the complaints people had.
I filled the pouches with water and they do not leak a drop. I think what I have from D'Addario is the same as the Boveda system (other than color) size, shape, material.
I don't think D'Addario sell the old system anymore.

I think an improvement to the current system is to seal the pouch opening (after inserting a pak into it) with RTV Silicone sealant so that even if the pak leak, it will not leak past the pouch and cause damage.

The paks recharges fine inside the pouch.

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Re: D'Addario Two-Way Humidification System question

Post by ameriken » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:45 pm

JohnB wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:42 pm
The main difference is with the soundhole pouch arrangement. D'Addario USED to use a "saddlebag" where each of the two "bags" contained a humidipaks and the saddlebag was draped over the G and D strings, with the "bags" containing the humipaks inserted into the guitar between the B & G and D & A strings.
Used to? I just got the D'Addario humid pak system right before Christmas that has the saddlebag and drapes over the G and D. The same as shown by Steve123 above.

Did they just replace that system?
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Re: D'Addario Two-Way Humidification System question

Post by JohnB » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:05 pm

Sorry, I am obviously out of date. Many apologies.
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Post by ameriken » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:19 pm

No worries, just want to make sure I'm UP to date :)
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Re: D'Addario Two-Way Humidification System question

Post by cedartop » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:36 am

Boveda makes the D'Addario system.
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Re: D'Addario Two-Way Humidification System question

Post by kwhelan » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:36 am

I got a new case to replace my old 1960's case for my Ramirez guitar and have been using the D'Addario humidification and although the RH is not yet in the 40%'s, it's in the upper 30%'s which is better than the humidity in the house which has been in the upper 20%'s. In the KC area we've been in drought conditions for years. I figure it may take some weeks to get to the RH I need.

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