Thanks for you comments, lagartija!
It is great that we all have different views!
I have no problem with it and do not expect that my views would be accepted by all, or even many...
as long as my views and others could coexist and confronting ideas could discussed - it is great!
But ... unfortunately in our human world usually one ideology dominates, sometimes in certain, sometimes in certain group, in certain location etc.
that is when I am talking about rejection...
Thankfully we have different ways to promote our ideas unlike it totalitarian societies where anything which not following the main ideology is shut down.
But sometimes it seems to me that "classical guitar" "establishment"
want the same thing - to shut down or simply reject something which is not following it's standard views.
I could see it right here:
one could proclaim that people who do and see things differently "amateurish" and their work less or not valuable in comparison with "professionals" and "masters"...
eno wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:37 am
That's not what I was saying, but anyway, creative people have always been in minoriy, our times are not much different. It's not a problem with music or education, it's just human nature. Yet musicians who are lacking creativity can still play well and enjoy music, not everyone meant to be a genius. But yes, situation in modern music is different compared to previous centuries when "classical" was a dominant style of music and the majority of musically talented and creative people would become classical performers and composers. In out times there are many other musical styles where talented people can get rewarded more quickly and abundantly so most of those talents don't become classical musicians any more. But still there is quite a few extraordinary and creative talents in the contemporary CG scene who are master performers and outstanding composers at the same time and who contributed a lot of non-conventional and creative compositions into the modern CG repertoire. Just to name a few: Leo Brouwer (a true genius IMHO), Marek Pasieczny, Johannes Moller. There are also a few amazing modern composers writing for CG, for example Takashi Yoshimatsu. Their works show that one can be truly creative, find new ideas and approaches even within the frames of traditional CG without any modern sound technology enhancements.
Yes I could agree with some points by eno...
But... he said:
"in previous centuries when "classical" was a dominant style of music and the majority of musically talented and creative people would become classical performers and composers."
"In our times there are many other musical styles where talented people can get rewarded more quickly and abundantly so most of those talents don't become classical musicians any more."
But did n't really not humans , but "modern" music itself drastically changed?
are you sure that "modern" "classical" music would as popular if you put in time "when "classical" was a dominant style of music"? Honestly I do not think so...
The structural construction of "modern" music and spiritual message are drastically changed?
Is music which you offered as examples are really containing the same message as a classical one?
and a classical music by itself consist from the periods which will hardly be able to understand and appreciate each other...isn't it?
But... most of old music was and could be understood by any folks, from any "class" of society while "modern" music in most cases demands special education explanation of its algorithms etc.
It is not that harmonic experience of the past which was parallel and comparable to other arts like paintings or sculpture etc. but the only comparable and compatible arts for modern music is probably abstract styles...
Does it really talking to person about happiness of love? About sadness of farewell? Friendship? whatever...
Its language seems do not correspond with general human psyche anymore..
"when "classical" was a dominant style of music and the majority of musically talented and creative people would become classical performers and composers."
In some way it reminds me a tale about blaming the mirror for the image that we could see in it...
isn't it us? isn't music changed lot more than the audience? isn't it "changed" music pushed away audience from itself?
isn't it really a standard way of events happening then "academia" dictates rules of the game under the pretext of "keeping and saving the "mastery" and in reality endlessly reproduce itself and naturally becoming more and more "technical " rather than "spiritual" in its essence?
It is natural process...isn't it?
Just placing the questions...
I'd better speak by music...Please listen my guitar at Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon, etc.