Anyone started to buy vinyl again?

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Re: Anyone started to buy vinyl again?

Post by larryguitar » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:02 pm

Andrew Pohlman wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:46 pm
CliffK wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:45 pm
... The old analog studio equipment does come up for sale here and there. So modern digital recording process in studio or on location, digital mastering, and then output to the cutting machines for the vinyl master? ...
Some of the older recordings, like from the 60's and 70's, are really solid. It blows me away what they could accomplish with the "old tech".

Look at the Beatles 2017 remix of Sgt Pepper's and the 2009 digital remix of Abbey Road. Since they had the old master tapes, with all the independent tracks, they could do a digital remix without all the noise from the analog mix down process. The sound is astonishing, which bespeaks the quality of the original master.

In keeping with the theme of this thread, now that we have a modern mix downs devoid of mix down related tape hiss and transitor-itis, are we going to press it to vinyl? I apologize to the vinyl fans reading this, but those recordings sound utterly great in their digital form. I do not miss vinyl at all. The popping sound when the needle first lands on the LP is awfully nostalgic though. :D
I heard this funny story about the noise that happens when you drop the needle on the LP. I don't know if it is true but it's a funny story.

Years ago, when CDs first came out, Paul McCartney was talking to his stepsister, and she asked him about CDs and said she didn't understand what they were. Paul said, "Well, you know that noise you get when you drop a needle on a record...", and she interrupted him and said, "I love that part, it means the music is about to start!", and he finished by saying, "well, with CDs, you don't get that."

This digital obsession with black backgrounds is a bit much at times. I'm going to give myself a heart attack with the new amp. The guy selling it to me said that the sonic background is absolutely black. One loud note from a trumpet and I'll be a goner.

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Re: Anyone started to buy vinyl again?

Post by CliffK » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:52 pm

AP, back in the day I took an interest in the art of sound engineering and a half century ago had the opportunity to meet Eddie Kramer as noted earlier in the thread. A fine and truly gifted person whom I greatly respect. The wiki has good background.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Kramer

chira3, bought the Farka Toure vinyl from Applewood. Thx for heads up about them. What a wonderful studio full of Neve and other audio goodness, so nice. Have Toure’s father’s cd with Ry Cooder.

Larryguitar, my Thorens turntable has a dampered arm so that it gently floats down to the vinyl. Ah, a sight to behold. Enjoy that amp!
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Re: Anyone started to buy vinyl again?

Post by larryguitar » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:16 am

CliffK wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:52 pm
AP, back in the day I took an interest in the art of sound engineering and a half century ago had the opportunity to meet Eddie Kramer as noted earlier in the thread. A fine and truly gifted person whom I greatly respect. The wiki has good background.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Kramer

chira3, bought the Farka Toure vinyl from Applewood. Thx for heads up about them. What a wonderful studio full of Neve and other audio goodness, so nice. Have Toure’s father’s cd with Ry Cooder.

Larryguitar, my Thorens turntable has a dampered arm so that it gently floats down to the vinyl. Ah, a sight to behold. Enjoy that amp!
CliffK,

Yeah, my Michell TecnoArm is also dampered so I can lower it gently onto a record. I just put on an LP by Martial Solal, an amazing jazz pianist, and I didn't get much noise at all. I saw Martial Solal many years ago. He had just gotten off a plane from Paris and he played for hours and hours. At one point, he looked up and said to the audience, "You're going to get tired before I do!." It was an incredible performance. I see he is now 90 years old, wow.

That Eddie Kramer guy has an amazing resume!

I can't wait for the new amp, it is a real statement piece. The Danes are mad and they cut no corners building the thing. It is massively built, as amps should be, and it will probably be the last amp I ever buy. There is no question about getting it repaired if something goes wrong. A person would have to be insane to throw it away.

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Re: Anyone started to buy vinyl again?

Post by CliffK » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:41 am

Larryguitar, Eddie was probably my biggest music industry hero back in the day, still is. He has a real legacy.

Gryphon is super nice equipment. Great score! Yup, some folks know how to build amps. I have an original Bryston 4B tucked away and a later iteration I use with a pair of original behemoth Snell 1As. Getting harder to lift the Brystons every year....
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Re: Anyone started to buy vinyl again?

Post by chiral3 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:27 am

CliffK wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:52 pm

chira3, bought the Farka Toure vinyl from Applewood. Thx for heads up about them. What a wonderful studio full of Neve and other audio goodness, so nice. Have Toure’s father’s cd with Ry Cooder.
CliffK, this is a happy misunderstanding. I wasn't referring to Applewood studios in Saugerties, I was referring to Applewood Road, a recent all analog recording.

http://applewoodroadmusic.com/

Speaking of the studio you found, my father lives a few miles down the road. I had no idea it was right there. Enjoy the music!
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Re: Anyone started to buy vinyl again?

Post by milchmanuk » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:54 am

they say the listening quality of vinyl is better than cd,s and dvd,s ?with the quality of recording equipment today I don't know ? if this is so.

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Re: Anyone started to buy vinyl again?

Post by CliffK » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:07 am

Chiral3, OK, thx for info. Serendipity. I note for that album the mastering was done at Gearbox, London. Nice to know about them. Back in the day, Norman Granz Mastering in LA was a top quality outfit. The guys in Kansas you mentioned are amazing. The tech innovations for the mastering-cutting process are most interesting. I like Mosaic Records for vintage jazz. They produce very high quality work, both vinyl and cd, with extensive liner notes, discography, photos. Mobile Fidelity is another quality producer of vinyl.

To drill down on the thread topic, the matter of cg on vinyl is of interest. So this would raise the question of cg vinyl pre cd. Plus the matter of the quality of cd reissues made from old tapes. I am not familiar with this. But maybe record collector colleagues can inform us about cg vinyl in the 1950s, 60s, 70s, and so on. Which are best quality in terms of sound engineering and pressing? Are there significant performances that did not get reissued in cd that we should know about?
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Re: Anyone started to buy vinyl again?

Post by chiral3 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:35 pm

CliffK, if you don't have it see if you can get your hands on the Michael Newman recording from Sheffield Labs. It is a direct to disc live recording.

A1 –Isaac Albéniz Torre Bermeja
A2 –Joaquín Turina Fandanguillo
B1 –Eduardo Sainz De La Maza Campanas Del Alba
B2 –Johann Sebastian Bach Chaconne, From The Violin Partita Number 2 In D Minor
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Re: Anyone started to buy vinyl again?

Post by chiral3 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:45 pm

I'd also throw the RCA Victor Bream performances in there. The recording of Charlie Byrd playing Villa-Lobos is nice on vinyl.
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Re: Anyone started to buy vinyl again?

Post by SteveL123 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:28 pm

chiral3 wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:35 pm
CliffK, if you don't have it see if you can get your hands on the Michael Newman recording from Sheffield Labs. It is a direct to disc live recording.

A1 –Isaac Albéniz Torre Bermeja
A2 –Joaquín Turina Fandanguillo
B1 –Eduardo Sainz De La Maza Campanas Del Alba
B2 –Johann Sebastian Bach Chaconne, From The Violin Partita Number 2 In D Minor
Thanks for mentioning this recording which I was unaware of. Did a search and found the Chaconne and gave it a listen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbP0xAVrLZ0 Marvelous playing! No hiss or pops!

I always prefer a live recording than one which can be edited. At 2:17 to 2:19, do you think that would have been edited out and replaced if it was possible or would it have been left as is?

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Re: Anyone started to buy vinyl again?

Post by SteveL123 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:30 pm

chiral3 wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:35 pm
CliffK, if you don't have it see if you can get your hands on the Michael Newman recording from Sheffield Labs. It is a direct to disc live recording.

A1 –Isaac Albéniz Torre Bermeja
A2 –Joaquín Turina Fandanguillo
B1 –Eduardo Sainz De La Maza Campanas Del Alba
B2 –Johann Sebastian Bach Chaconne, From The Violin Partita Number 2 In D Minor
Thanks for mentioning this recording which I was unaware of. Did a search and found the Chaconne and gave it a listen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbP0xAVrLZ0 Marvelous playing! No hiss or pops on this LP!

I always prefer a live recording than one which can be edited. At 2:17 to 2:19, do you think that would have been edited out and replaced if it was possible or would it have been left as is?

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Re: Anyone started to buy vinyl again?

Post by chiral3 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:43 pm

I actually don't know that recording. I was referring to

https://www.discogs.com/Michael-Newman- ... se/3318488

There are some little mistakes, but they add character to the performance. There's no editing with direct to disc. It's as pure as it gets.
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Re: Anyone started to buy vinyl again?

Post by CliffK » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:14 pm

chiral3 wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:35 pm
CliffK, if you don't have it see if you can get your hands on the Michael Newman recording from Sheffield Labs. It is a direct to disc live recording.

A1 –Isaac Albéniz Torre Bermeja
A2 –Joaquín Turina Fandanguillo
B1 –Eduardo Sainz De La Maza Campanas Del Alba
B2 –Johann Sebastian Bach Chaconne, From The Violin Partita Number 2 In D Minor
Many thanks on this and also for RCA Bream. It is great that Sheffield produced such a cg vinyl and hopefully more to come. I dont know what size production run is generally considered above breakeven if sold for the specialist record companies. With just one solo artist the costs should not be excessive. I buy some Mosaic Jazz vinyl and cd. One edition of a multi record set of Jerry Mulligan on vinyl I have was of 7500 numbered sets. I think that was large and usually they are perhaps 5000 or less to the edition. They include a lavish publication with extensive liner notes, discography etc, and amazing photos.

Sheffield must believe there is enough of a niche market to try a cg offering. Perhaps if the response is good they will continue.
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Re: Anyone started to buy vinyl again?

Post by rwe » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:17 pm

I bought my last vinyl records in the 1980s. Since then I bought only CDs, no downloads, I love the better durableness of CDs (no defect CDs after 30 years, it's easy to make a backup copy of them) and the reduction of space. Sometimes the cover quality is poor. But I don't see any need for buying new vinyl records. On the contrary I would like to copy all the ca. 2000 CDs (and the 1000 vinyl records too) on a server for an easier access. But I hadn't found a good software for archiving them.

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Re: Anyone started to buy vinyl again?

Post by Andrew Fryer » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:29 pm

rwe wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:17 pm
Sometimes the cover quality is poor.
That's the only problem - the Hasselblad and the 12" disc were made for each other. But I suspect that the days of inspired album photography are also over, in which case, not a lot is lost, except for some history.
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