Does it really matter?

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Re: Does it really matter?

Post by Philosopherguy » Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:26 pm

Erik Zurcher wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:09 pm
I was watching violinist Anne-Sophie Mutter on YouTube playing a partita from Bach and then read the comments: bravo, wonderful, beautiful, excellent, etc. Unlike at Delcamp there were no comments like "what strings are you using?" or "what violin are you playing?" or worse...: "what microphones were used?"
What's this obsession among (some of) our members with our 'hardware?' Does it really matter? Discussion please...
What kind of keyboard must you have been using to dispense such a painful look into our collective understandings of the importance of our accessories?!? Does this keyboard and computer attached it have no accounting of our ethos?! hahaha..

What else are we going to talk about? There are only so many other topics on a classical guitar forum. I think the difference between the broader youtube audience and the delcamp audience is that the youtube audience is more likely to not be players themselves and the delcamp audience is always genuinely curious because most people want to be able to do something, like record themselves. So, when you hear a good recording you want to know what was used, just like when you hear a bad recording you want to know what was used so that you don't buy that piece of equipment. I'm pretty certain that when violinists get together they discuss things like chin rests, strings, bows, bow hair, bridges and everything that goes into making music in the same way that we do here. After all, it's not necessary to reinvent the wheel over and over. We can take advantage of our collective wisdom and offer advice to each other on what works and what doesn't. That is not to say that individuals can't break out of the patterns and try new things, they can and should. However, there is likely to be somewhat of a consensus on some things that just really don't work at all that must be best to avoid, so as not to waste time and money.

I really get a kick out of the number of questions that arise that are basically the same question day to day.

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Re: Does it really matter?

Post by Guero » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:01 pm

If you think there're a lot of discussiosn about gear and hardware going on here, take a look at electric guitar forums... :shock:

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Re: Does it really matter?

Post by Peter Frary » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:16 pm

YouTube performances of great guitarists tend to have mostly "you rip," "great performance" type comments rather than "what strings are you using" comments. Albeit there is always that one joker asking for tabs...

As a former violinist, I can say we had far less discussions about gear than my guitar playing friends. The popularity and vast forms of the guitar has created a world and industry unto itself.
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Re: Does it really matter?

Post by Stephen Kenyon » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:36 pm

Erik Zurcher wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:09 pm
I was watching violinist Anne-Sophie Mutter on YouTube playing a partita from Bach and then read the comments: bravo, wonderful, beautiful, excellent, etc. Unlike at Delcamp there were no comments like "what strings are you using?" or "what violin are you playing?" or worse...: "what microphones were used?"
What's this obsession among (some of) our members with our 'hardware?' Does it really matter? Discussion please...
Not least, there is little likelihood that anybody involved with making the video upload will have the faintest idea of the answers to those questions, and many viewers will have the sense to know that ASM is hardly likely to reply!
But if a video were made by a less stellar player who obviously was doing it all themselves, and perhaps was making a thing of being a Youtuber and interacting with their viewers, I can imagine some would ask those questions.
So may answer; it matters when it matters, which is not when watching ASM.
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Re: Does it really matter?

Post by Lovemyguitar » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:50 pm

I was recently at a cello recital, and before the concert, the two people sitting in front of me -- one an amateur cellist, one a professional -- were having an in-depth discussion about what kind of rosin the performing cellist uses, the type of hair in his bow, how often he changes strings, what type of strings he uses, etc..

These matters obviously "matter" to many musicians, not just guitarists. How much they matter, and how much time and effort a person puts into them, is really up to them individually, and it really should not matter to us, personally, what anybody else does (or talks about). It is their life and their choice as to how they spend their time, and even if our own choices might be different, who are we to judge what should "matter" to them?

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Re: Does it really matter?

Post by Arash Ahmadi » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:31 pm

Erik Zurcher wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:09 pm
I was watching violinist Anne-Sophie Mutter on YouTube playing a partita from Bach and then read the comments: bravo, wonderful, beautiful, excellent, etc. Unlike at Delcamp there were no comments like "what strings are you using?" or "what violin are you playing?" or worse...: "what microphones were used?"
What's this obsession among (some of) our members with our 'hardware?' Does it really matter? Discussion please...
:lol: I know! But YT has a wider audience that is made of non musicians mostly whom can't care less. We are here to ask those types of question we can't ask on YT :wink: but jokes apart, I think asking those types of questions mean that one wants to improve or/and get close to that quality. It certainly is interesting to know what type of strings or guitar say Julian Bream was using and playing, maybe because one loves that tone, etc.

Mic questions belong to people who would like to record at home or make a home studio and again like or dislike the mic quality, therefore they either want to make sure that they do or don't purchase that mic...

Does it matter? It does, it can clear some doubts (on what to or not to buy), provides some general info and helps some of us to improve in some ways. But as you say, it's not good if it becomes an obsession.

On the other hand, where else can we ask these types of questions if not here?
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Re: Does it really matter?

Post by Andrew Fryer » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:15 am

No, hardware doesn't matter.
I got by on a plastic oboe and would buy another if I wanted to play again.
But Youtube likes to describe a lot of crap musicians as the best musicians ever, so it's not a suitable yardstick.

When I bought my violin, I bought a cheap rosin and an expensive one to compare, so by accident I ended up with three lots of rosin (because of course one came with the violin). A professional violist friend said that there would be no real difference, but at least I had my lifetime's supply sorted.
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Re: Does it really matter?

Post by Michael.N. » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:47 am

I'm pretty sure that I came across a small specialist supplier of bow rosin whilst doing a search. I think they had a waiting list for the stuff!
But rosin isn't just pine resin, there's all manner of secret ingredients.
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Re: Does it really matter?

Post by Andrew Pohlman » Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:16 pm

For me, I don't just play and/or perform guitar. I don't just listen to music. I do small luthier tasks on my home bench. I record myself and other musicians. I feel I need to know the science of acoustics at a practical level so I understand how to set up a room for performance versus recording. So for me, all this stuff we discuss on Delcamp adds so much and goes well beyond the music itself.

Yeah - if I was only a humble patron of the arts, I'd probably stop at "bravo" and "bellissimo" too. :D
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