Beethoven: not feeling it!

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Re: Beethoven: not feeling it!

Post by ddray » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:49 am

astro64 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:30 pm
Ah, what would Mozart have written had he lived another 30 years....
I think it's hard to tell if Mozart would have the standing he does today if he had died in his 60s. Part of the Mozart "glamor", and part of the reason he overshadows Haydn, is the fact that he died at a tragically young age... which is not to dismiss Mozart's greatness as a composer. But the thoughts of his early death and the fragility of life are things we can't put out of our minds when we listen to his music. It's a little like Keats in literature. I think if he had lived on, his music would probably have begun to sound a lot like Beethoven or Schubert. But as with other counterfactuals, who knows.

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Re: Beethoven: not feeling it!

Post by zupfgeiger » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:49 am

MartinCogg wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:54 pm
zupfgeiger wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:19 pm
- at least for me - J.S.Bach and Beethoven are the greatest composer of all time - with all due respect for Mozart.


Beethoven being in my thoughts and cd player on account of this topic has unfortunately been affecting the current painting -
today's session mostly saw me staring at it wondering 'what now?'... (I only got around to altering his starboard arm a little bit
since taking this photo)

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NOW, I'm minded there's room for one more in me boat :? (and I look forward to listening to some Bach tomorrow).
Good idea to depict Bach as well in your boat. But don't show him with a bottle. I think Bach was not as prone to alcohol as Beethoven. :D
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Re: Beethoven: not feeling it!

Post by Tom Poore » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:15 pm

zupfgeiger wrote:I think Bach was not as prone to alcohol as Beethoven.
Maybe not, but he was no teetotaler. According to records of his beer buying, he may have downed the equivalent of a six-pack a day. And remember, in Bach’s time water sanitation wasn’t much of a thing. So it was probably safer to drink beer.

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Re: Beethoven: not feeling it!

Post by zupfgeiger » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:04 pm

Absolutely right. And we have to consider that Bach's life is much less known than Beethoven's. But according to the sources Bach did not die of liver cirrhosis.
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Re: Beethoven: not feeling it!

Post by Denian Arcoleo » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:21 pm

zupfgeiger wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:04 pm

But according to the sources Bach did not die of liver cirrhosis.
Is that what killed Beethoven?

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Re: Beethoven: not feeling it!

Post by zupfgeiger » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:26 pm

Very likely, biographers say. His unbound wine drinking habits were obviously disastrous for his liver. Officially he died of lead poisoning because in those days the wine was mixed with lead. And given the quantity of wine Beethoven drank...
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Re: Beethoven: not feeling it!

Post by Jim Davidson » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:47 pm

Tom Poore wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:15 pm
zupfgeiger wrote:I think Bach was not as prone to alcohol as Beethoven.
Maybe not, but he was no teetotaler. According to records of his beer buying, he may have downed the equivalent of a six-pack a day. And remember, in Bach’s time water sanitation wasn’t much of a thing. So it was probably safer to drink beer.

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Let's not forget his coffee habit!

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Re: Beethoven: not feeling it!

Post by MartinCogg » Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:05 am

zupfgeiger wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:49 am

Good idea to depict Bach as well in your boat. But don't show him with a bottle........
A big spoon?

And now I've been staring at it a week or so, thinking... (amongst other distractions, it's been too hot to paint)

I'm wondering about 'thought balloons' - music notational thoughts... opening of 5th Symphony might
be readily enough 'got' by some... Bach, I dunno - Die Kunst der Fuge?
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Re: Beethoven: not feeling it!

Post by ddray » Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:47 am

MartinCogg wrote:
Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:05 am
zupfgeiger wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:49 am

Good idea to depict Bach as well in your boat. But don't show him with a bottle........
A big spoon?

And now I've been staring at it a week or so, thinking... (amongst other distractions, it's been too hot to paint)

I'm wondering about 'thought balloons' - music notational thoughts... opening of 5th Symphony might
be readily enough 'got' by some... Bach, I dunno - Die Kunst der Fuge?
...
An interesting thing about Bach though is that we always seem to think about him as an older man, probably because the only authenticated portrait of him was made when he was in his 60s. But a lot of his greatest music -- including some of his greatest cantatas -- was composed before he was 40. The first performance of the St Matthew Passion was given when Bach was about 42.

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Re: Beethoven: not feeling it!

Post by MartinCogg » Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:36 pm

I suppose with modern stars we tend to keep the image of when they were in their heyday - but
if they carry on, going from strength to strength till the end...

meanwhile today's thoughts were upon thought and speech bubbles.....

DELETED - change of plan :!:

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Re: Beethoven: not feeling it!

Post by Arash Ahmadi » Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:57 pm

Reading listening guides or some history on the music might help. Here's an example I wrote some time ago.

https://puremusician.org/2012/07/27/bee ... -movement/
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Re: Beethoven: not feeling it!

Post by MartinCogg » Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:06 pm

then today inspiration struck and paint was actually applied :) - making a rough start on the
extras at least.

I'm sure I'm allowed to translate 'Wachet auf!' as 'Watch out!' or 'Look out!' (boat being about to hit a rock 'n' all)

question now being 'who' might I try to develope the alarm caller into ...
(mermaid on the rock shipping hazard - a rock chick?.. "Es muß be!")


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Re: Beethoven: not feeling it!

Post by Lawler » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:11 pm

MartinCogg wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:06 pm
then today inspiration struck.. question now being 'who' might I try to develope the alarm caller into ...
(mermaid on the rock shipping hazard - a rock chick?.. "Es muß be!")
Haha. The BF? Then you'd have 3 B's.

JS prepares to execute a quick steering maneuver, but for Ludwig the canoe is already spinning. :lol:

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Re: Beethoven: not feeling it!

Post by MartinCogg » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:26 pm

Canoe?... this is a proper Boat Lawler :) (B+B in a B = 3 B's) as to BF, I was edging more Mozart minded...

mind you, in the rock paper scissors thingum paper beats rock - so maybe it's the fair Melusine's in peril here...

maybe it should be Mendelssohn trying to alert the mermaid, rather than the 3 B's.

Today's effort saw her hair turn blonde... perhaps greeny bluey black was better - I dunno.

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Re: Beethoven: not feeling it!

Post by Lawler » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:57 am

MartinCogg wrote:
Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:26 pm
Canoe?... this is a proper Boat Lawler :)
What??? Nothing's better than a canoe. :mrgreen: Says me, posting from my canoe.
maybe it should be Mendelssohn trying to alert the mermaid, rather than the 3 B's.
I like that. Anyone but Brahms. That would be cliche. :P

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