PaulHardy wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:11 pm
ddray wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:05 pm
I think in fact that's pretty much what you do. Point out to me where ANYone in this thread said they love Beethoven's music unconditionally, that every note he wrote was perfect, blahblahblah. I know I never have. You caricature people's opinions just to pick an argument and to make yourself look like some musical martyr. If I say "anti-Beethoven" I think it might be pretty well understood that I mean "anti those who have here tried to demonstrate that Beethoven was indeed a great composer". Hey here's an idea. Give us some examples of passages in Beethoven you like, or some passages that you find are boring and dull. Just because he's revered by "the establishment" and conservatories and the tuxedo set doesn't make him bad. And that's all I have to say. I'm not going into any more of these 50 comment deeply-quote-nested disputes with you again. Sincere best wishes to you though.
Well said . This has got sadly polarised despite the best efforts of you and others to be moderate
What is "well said"?
One (me) just wrote that he love some pieces of Beethoven but also find some pieces or parts boring (basically the same as OP) and then, after been challenged by others, inserted a couple of quotes of other musicians showing that not everyone like all pieces of Beethoven...
Then another one, using simply dishonest ways of discussion, inserted words which were not said by me, described (my) attitudes to Beethoven, which do not exist, attributed motives which do not exist, then started to use labels etc.
This is not good discussion.
Yes it would be nice if moderators will pay attention to it...
Again. I love some pieces of Beethoven but... find some boring too.
Lenin was mentioned here.
Yes, Beethoven was his favorite composer. And in USSR Beethoven was really heavily promoted by authorities and played very very often with endless accompaniment of words that he, Beethoven, was a great revolutionary , who was fighting for world revolution against ugly western political system...this was very annoying and for decades I had to listen it from radio , TV, to read in textbooks etc (I lived half of my life in Ussr)..
And in Ussr anyone who would not share official political line (even if it will be for example, let say , not unconditional love to "officially recognized great music") anyone would be harassed and persecuted...
Anyway, I apologize for taking part in this discussion.
And I am asking moderators - please delete my profile and all my posts and themes which I started.
Thank you very much.
Good luck everybody!
Best wishes and happy guitar playing!