Bream Begets the Archguitar: Who Knew?

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Re: Bream Begets the Archguitar: Who Knew?

Post by Pat Dodson » Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:51 pm

MartinCogg wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:38 pm
I invented a new guitar too -

I was going to call it Archie, but now I realize that could land me
in trouble with the authorities...

guitarchie.jpg
Great painting and post. Brilliant in so many ways! :bravo:

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Re: Bream Begets the Archguitar: Who Knew?

Post by Lawler » Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:42 pm

Pat Dodson wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:51 pm
MartinCogg wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:38 pm
I invented a new guitar too -

I was going to call it Archie, but now I realize that could land me
in trouble with the authorities...

guitarchie.jpg
Great painting and post. Brilliant in so many ways! :bravo:
+1

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Re: Bream Begets the Archguitar: Who Knew?

Post by jscott » Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:13 pm

I once had a member tell me they hoped my house was destroyed in an earthquake and then that the rubble burned in the fire that followed--because they didn't like one of my jokes! It's true that I sometimes just throw jokes at the wall to see what sticks. My co-workers will say that my hit to miss ratio with jokes is about 30/70. Happily they don't drag me over the coals in public for days on end every time a joke falls flat. I'd stop making any at all in those circumstances.

Sometimes people will post things here that aren't entirely correct. The Horror!

I recently left the forum because I didn't need the aggravation of all that sort of thing. The problem is that I then didn't have access to a lot of the features of this site. I wanted to just not post and still find things of value here that I could use in my practice, and that's not possible.

p.s. that said I've critiqued forum posts that advocated for ideologies that I found reprehensible. I'm a kettle and a pot.

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Re: Bream Begets the Archguitar: Who Knew?

Post by sxedio » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:58 pm

It definitely won't help future historians, but names of instruments do get recycled for new instruments. E.g. laud in modern spanish is a fairly different instrument to what laud was in the 15th century version of the language. There are still instruments called vihuela in latin America that are fairly different to the historical vihuela. On the other hand, historians and especially those from another language, often invent variations on a name that has stayed the same, to signify different instruments. Paul Sparks did this e.g. by using 'mandolino' exclusively for the old mini-lute, and not the violin-tuned neapolitan instrument that became widespread since the mid 18th century, which I think he calls mandoline in the early form, and mandolin in the modern. In italian of course all of those would have been called 'mandolino'.
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Re: Bream Begets the Archguitar: Who Knew?

Post by sxedio » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:01 pm

lagartija wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:59 pm
He has found a niche for himself in the local music scene, and yes, that includes a good deal of self promotion. That sort of thing is less acceptable in Great Britain, (where modesty is considered a virtue) than it is in the US.😉
[I confess to being more comfortable with the British outlook on such things.]
Good luck to the modest musician. If you want gigs and an audience you need to do self promotion, unless you are rich enough to have others do your promotion for you.
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Re: Bream Begets the Archguitar: Who Knew?

Post by Lawler » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:06 pm

Personally, I see very few incidences where it's worth it to argue about terminology. Especially when it's easy for everyone involved to see and hear what the thing that the term represents actually is.

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Re: Bream Begets the Archguitar: Who Knew?

Post by CarbonElitist » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:23 pm

Nice video, calming music.

*scrolls down and sees a war breaking out.*

*ducks out.*
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Re: Bream Begets the Archguitar: Who Knew?

Post by MartinCogg » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:33 pm

Lawler wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:42 pm
Pat Dodson wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:51 pm
MartinCogg wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:38 pm
I invented a new guitar too -

I was going to call it Archie, but now I realize that could land me
in trouble with the authorities...

guitarchie.jpg
Great painting and post. Brilliant in so many ways! :bravo:
+1
I thank you two kindly :wink:

It's been sorta awaiting a post-it opportunity (canvas completed in September).


As to the OP - going to PB's website (archguitar.com) I got to watch another video
- The Happy Valley Guitar Orchestra's rendering of Philip Glass's piano etude #9
- and a real treat I found it to be

so thank you too, Altophile, I'd not heard of Peter Blanchette before.

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Re: Bream Begets the Archguitar: Who Knew?

Post by CarbonElitist » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:00 pm

jscott wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:13 pm
I once had a member tell me they hoped my house was destroyed in an earthquake and then that the rubble burned in the fire that followed--because they didn't like one of my jokes!
It sounds like they were really shaken by your joke.
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Re: Bream Begets the Archguitar: Who Knew?

Post by jscott » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:11 pm

CarbonElitist wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:00 pm
jscott wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:13 pm
I once had a member tell me they hoped my house was destroyed in an earthquake and then that the rubble burned in the fire that followed--because they didn't like one of my jokes!
It sounds like they were really shaken by your joke.
Yeah, tough crowd. I've kept my day job though.

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Re: Bream Begets the Archguitar: Who Knew?

Post by CarbonElitist » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:16 pm

jscott wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:11 pm
CarbonElitist wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:00 pm
jscott wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:13 pm
I once had a member tell me they hoped my house was destroyed in an earthquake and then that the rubble burned in the fire that followed--because they didn't like one of my jokes!
It sounds like they were really shaken by your joke.
Yeah, tough crowd. I've kept my day job though.
That must make them quake with anger.
"If at first you don't succeed, don't go skydiving."
"When I want expert advice, I look at the comment sections on DIY videos."

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Re: Bream Begets the Archguitar: Who Knew?

Post by Jim Davidson » Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:03 am

sxedio wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:58 pm
It definitely won't help future historians, but names of instruments do get recycled for new instruments. E.g. laud in modern spanish is a fairly different instrument to what laud was in the 15th century version of the language. There are still instruments called vihuela in latin America that are fairly different to the historical vihuela. On the other hand, historians and especially those from another language, often invent variations on a name that has stayed the same, to signify different instruments. Paul Sparks did this e.g. by using 'mandolino' exclusively for the old mini-lute, and not the violin-tuned neapolitan instrument that became widespread since the mid 18th century, which I think he calls mandoline in the early form, and mandolin in the modern. In italian of course all of those would have been called 'mandolino'.
IMO this is the salient point of this conversation. Organology is rife with unrelated instruments that (at least phonetically) have the same name. That's bound to happen when you have several distinct cultures that use such similar languages. Spelling variations and translations only add to the confusion. Was the historical "archguitar" actually called that in plain english in its own time? This sort of thing is an inevitability as we constantly create new instruments while others wane.
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Re: Bream Begets the Archguitar: Who Knew?

Post by jscott » Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:31 am

CarbonElitist wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:16 pm
jscott wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:11 pm
CarbonElitist wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:00 pm

It sounds like they were really shaken by your joke.
Yeah, tough crowd. I've kept my day job though.
That must make them quake with anger.
wasn't my fault.

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Re: Bream Begets the Archguitar: Who Knew?

Post by CarbonElitist » Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:38 am

jscott wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:31 am
CarbonElitist wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:16 pm
jscott wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:11 pm


Yeah, tough crowd. I've kept my day job though.
That must make them quake with anger.
wasn't my fault.
Sorry to burst your rubble but if your jokes were that bad, then it kind of was. Oh well, you know what they say, it's the sediment that counts.
"If at first you don't succeed, don't go skydiving."
"When I want expert advice, I look at the comment sections on DIY videos."

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