Best near-concert guitar for under $3,000??

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Re: Best near-concert guitar for under $3,000??

Post by simonm » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:18 pm

CT20 wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:41 am
Check out Francisco Navarro guitars. Surprised no one has mentioned them yet.
+1.

In the end the OP will regret asking us here. He thought the choice was simple and now it is more complex than ever. :lol:

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Re: Best near-concert guitar for under $3,000??

Post by CT20 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:49 pm

"In the end" the OP should regret making a less than optimal choice and learning of a better alternative later.
Cheers simonm.

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Re: Best near-concert guitar for under $3,000??

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:22 am

I have a 4NE that i paid $2199.00 for new. It had been hanging up at my local Mom and Pop music store from the time of the store’s previous owner who passed away some 5 years earlier, along with a few other Ramirez.. The store mainly sells electric guitars, and classical guitars are a hard sell in a town as small as mine. So he dropped the price nearly a grand and it was a deal too good to pass up. I bought that guitar about a year ago. You could probably find a used one for 16 to 18 hundred.

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Re: Best near-concert guitar for under $3,000??

Post by vesa » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:45 am

You'll get a concert guitar for that money (and even for less than that) if you buy used.
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Re: Best near-concert guitar for under $3,000??

Post by Charles Mokotoff » Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:57 am

One other thing to mention. When I decided to go to a Guitar Center, I asked the sales guy to show me every classical guitar in the store, $500 and up, or something like that. I must have played 12 of them and the one I picked, again for $800, was a stand out, it was much better than a couple for $1500 or so. These lower end instruments are pretty consistent, but if you can, go someplace where you can try several.
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Re: Best near-concert guitar for under $3,000??

Post by rikroberts » Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:29 pm

Another option - go for an unknown luthier and commission one. Of course, you do need some kind of recommendation/providence, but non-name luthiers are producing fantastic guitars all over the place nowadays. For $3000 you could end of with a $6000 sounding guitar, knowing every penny you spent has gone into labour and materials and not into paying for the luthiers name. Ask at your nearest Classical Guitar society for any recommendations of upcoming luthiers in the area who are still below the radar in the CG world.

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Re: Best near-concert guitar for under $3,000??

Post by petermc61 » Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:06 am

This is the sort of great deal you can get here:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=116994

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Re: Best near-concert guitar for under $3,000??

Post by ChrisD » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:54 am

Thank you all for the input! I gave myself an impossible task. I seriously need to fly to GSI or something similar and sit down for a day or two and play for hours, I think. I'm blown away at the offerings. Some of my favorites: Navarro (top contender), Cervantes, Hanika, Ramirez, multiple Spanish makes, it's all too much. I'm starting lessons again next month with a prominent guitarist in the Denver area, and I will try to pry from him some recommendations. You all did help me narrow it down to a somewhat manageable number, though. Thanks again!

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Re: Best near-concert guitar for under $3,000??

Post by Arkheospruce » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:23 pm

Hi.. That is concert guitar specifications: Mark is not important...
Solid Top - Cedar - Selected Canadian Cedar
Spruce -Selected German (Engelman) Spruce
Neck: Honduran Cedar Carbon Fiber Reinforced (Ebony; for Studio Guitars)
Bridge: Rosewood ( Brasilian)
Sides & Bottom: Brasilian Rosewood (may be East Indian)
Fingerboard: Ebony
Thiny Varnishig & Goma lace finishing
High quality craftmanship...
Matching Rosette Design Soundhole&Bindings
Note: Ramirez 4ne is a studio gutar. Not concert guitar.
Good luck...

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Re: Best near-concert guitar for under $3,000??

Post by ChrisD » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:12 am

Well, I went for a 2013 near-mint Paulino Bernabe cedar M10! Should arrive in a few days. Just over $2k. Saw many videos, and its the brightest sounding cedar I've heard. Crisp. Seems to lend itself well to standards and contemporary pieces. Multiple sources stated it would fill a concert hall. Loud and bold, but sings when you feather it a bit. I'll let you know my impressions. I'll sell it on this site if I don't like it. Lol

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Re: Best near-concert guitar for under $3,000??

Post by ChrisD » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:19 am

Arkheospruce wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:23 pm
Hi.. That is concert guitar specifications: Mark is not important...
Solid Top - Cedar - Selected Canadian Cedar
Spruce -Selected German (Engelman) Spruce
Neck: Honduran Cedar Carbon Fiber Reinforced (Ebony; for Studio Guitars)
Bridge: Rosewood ( Brasilian)
Sides & Bottom: Brasilian Rosewood (may be East Indian)
Fingerboard: Ebony
Thiny Varnishig & Goma lace finishing
High quality craftmanship...
Matching Rosette Design Soundhole&Bindings
Note: Ramirez 4ne is a studio gutar. Not concert guitar.
Good luck...
Thank you for the information! I think the PB M10 checks most of those boxes. I'll find out how it sounds in a few days!

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Re: Best near-concert guitar for under $3,000??

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:21 am

Charles Mokotoff wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:57 am
One other thing to mention. When I decided to go to a Guitar Center, I asked the sales guy to show me every classical guitar in the store, $500 and up, or something like that. I must have played 12 of them and the one I picked, again for $800, was a stand out, it was much better than a couple for $1500 or so. These lower end instruments are pretty consistent, but if you can, go someplace where you can try several.
I am amazed? Where do you live that Guitar Center actually had 12 classical guitars in stock? My Guitar Center never has more than a few in their “Acoustic Room”. Mines in Eugene, Oregon by the way.

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Re: Best near-concert guitar for under $3,000??

Post by Rick Beauregard » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:27 am

petermc61 wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:06 am
This is the sort of great deal you can get here:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=116994
+1

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Re: Best near-concert guitar for under $3,000??

Post by petermc61 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:51 am

As an example of what that money can buy, there is an excellent condition 640mm Kohno Pro-J from 1986 just listed on e - b a y with a starting price of US$2,700.

Why would you consider factory options when you can get a mature sample like that from a master luthier?

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Re: Best near-concert guitar for under $3,000??

Post by Michael.N. » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:06 am

ChrisD wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:19 am
Arkheospruce wrote:
Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:23 pm
Hi.. That is concert guitar specifications: Mark is not important...
Solid Top - Cedar - Selected Canadian Cedar
Spruce -Selected German (Engelman) Spruce
Neck: Honduran Cedar Carbon Fiber Reinforced (Ebony; for Studio Guitars)
Bridge: Rosewood ( Brasilian)
Sides & Bottom: Brasilian Rosewood (may be East Indian)
Fingerboard: Ebony
Thiny Varnishig & Goma lace finishing
High quality craftmanship...
Matching Rosette Design Soundhole&Bindings
Note: Ramirez 4ne is a studio gutar. Not concert guitar.
Good luck...
Thank you for the information! I think the PB M10 checks most of those boxes. I'll find out how it sounds in a few days!
Unfortunately virtually all of those so called ticks in the boxes are just plain wrong. I could pretty much give you many examples of very high quality expensive 'concert' (what an awful term) guitars that contradict virtually every single one of those boxes. Sorry to have to say it but it's just plain nonsense. You simply cannot generalise in that manner.
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