Guitars

tintumat
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Guitars

Post by tintumat » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:00 pm

I'm new to classical guitars and trying to get a beginners one for me. What are my options?

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Post by albert-canuck » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:24 pm

My first classical guitar was a Yamaha G231 II that I bought used 25 years ago and played for 20 years. It sounds quite good for a cheap guitar and it is well made. Mine still looks like new. I have since replaced it with a few other guitars but I still have it. They sound and play better but they cost a lot more as well.
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Re: Guitars

Post by andreas777 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:27 pm

There is a nice and rare Yamaha G260S for sale in Italy, but unfortunately the price is much too high.
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Post by Gorn » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:38 pm

The main question is: what's your budget? Your first guitar usually won't be your last, so it does not make sense to spend too much money on your first CG. For the first approach, a guitar of 300 - 500 EUR can be a good choice. I was very surprised by the quality and playability of Alhambra guitars, even the lowest price models. The minimum requirement is a massive top, either cedar or spruce (= your choice). An entirely massive guitar starts at prices around EUR 800,-.
As far as I can take from your post, you already know how to play guitar (electric or steel string). So you can judge the qualities of a guitar, like playability, sustain, response etc. If not, take a "classical" friend with you.
Take a day off, go to one or two big music stores and try everything in your budget range. Let your ears and your fingers decide, don't give a darn on known brandnames. If there is nothing for you: go to the next store and try as many as you find.
You could also check guitars above your budget and try to find them used.
When I switched from electric to nylon, I've made the mistake to buy an "electric neck" classical (Manuel Rodríguez Caballero 10 Cut - predecessor of Cutaway C 11 Walnut). Good sound, but the idea behind the neck is rubbish. It is very difficult to play accurately on a 44 mm nut nylon string, because the deflection of nylon strings is far stronger than of steel strings. It's way more easy for me to play on a 52 mm nut. Especially barrées.

Do you need a pickup and do you really need it right from the start? If so, Manual Rodríguez Cutaway C12 or Cutaway A could be guitars to have an eye upon. Caution: many typical "crossover" nylonstring guitars have narrower necks and/or reduced dynamics to prevent feedbacks.
If not: it's not a big thing to install a pickup later on (as long as you don't want an EQ-box in the frame). The perfect line-sound can be made by a good external EQ/DI-Box, like L.R.Baggs Venue D.I., which, undoubtedly, is expensive, but I've never regretted to buy it.

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Re: Guitars

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:56 am

I suggest that you read the thread Frequently Asked Questions about classical guitars, at the beginning of the Luthier's section. If you are actually going to play Classical on it, it helps to have a classical spec guitar. It's difficult to play cleanly on something with a 47mm nut. Avoid the crossover guitars. Get a standard classical with 52mm nut. Forget about cutaway models and electronics. There are lots of good classical guitars in the $300 to $500 range, but I also find there are a lot of turds in that same range.

Are you new to classical, or new to the guitar altogether? What is your budget?

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Re: Guitars

Post by tintumat » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:43 pm

Thanks everyone for you replies. I've been learning to play guitar since last 2 years, As far as classical is concern ive only been doing since last 3-4 months. I'm using my friends Yamaha C40 as of now. I was looking for something under 200 euros since I cant afford to spend more than that now.

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Re: Guitars

Post by rwe » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:51 pm

I'm not sure if "La Mancha" (https://www.lamanchaguitars.com) and Hellweg-Hopf (https://www.musikwaren-hellweg.de/) are available in Italian stores too (it's possible to get them by t h o m a n n). Both brands offer good qualilty for a few € more than your limit (La Mancha Rubi, Hellweg CS 32 or CS33), but maybe you can get them as second hand instruments. - Of course there are other good instruments by other companies, but I know the products of these both companies better.

If your 200€ limit is a "hard" limit keep the C40 and save some more money. The C40s I know will "work", means that they are playable and have an acceptable intonation.

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Re: Guitars

Post by prawnheed » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:37 pm

For 200 Euros, I'd look at the Yamaha CG102. It is a great starter guitar and a good step up from the C40. If you look after it, it will last you forever - I still have my Yamaha G235 that I bought in 1974 or thereabouts and it still plays and sounds good.

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Re: Guitars

Post by davebones » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:07 pm

I have a Yamaha G245s from 1977 which I got for US 185. It sounds fine with Savarez Corum Alliance strings. The 658mm scale might be longer than you want.

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Re: Guitars

Post by Thura2017 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:03 am

My first classical guitar was Yamaha C70 which I got it new for SGD165. Laminated spruce top with back and sides laminated woods as well. Very nice action and tone for the beginner.
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Re: Guitars

Post by Laudiesdad69 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:13 am

Lucero LC150S. Solid Spruce Top, Sapele back and sides. It has a truss rod. Rosewood fingerboard and bridge. New price is $199.99. Music and art has them. These usually come with a low action from the factory in China. Not sure if the nut is 50 or 52 though. I’ve bought three Luceros, all for under $200.00 and I gave two as Christmas presents. Lucero LC200S has 52mm nut and solid cedar top with RW back and sides. You can find them on e - b a y and Amazon also. They are a great guitar in the most bang for the buck category.

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Re: Guitars

Post by andreas777 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:35 pm

There is a good Yamaha for sale with solid top for €200. I can send you a link per PM is you want.
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Re: Guitars

Post by tintumat » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:38 pm

Like all of you suggested I think I will stick on to the C40 for a bit and then get a better one when I can afford it. Thanks guys for all your suggestions.

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