Manuel Ramirez on Reverb-- caution.

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Manuel Ramirez on Reverb-- caution.

Post by zavaletas » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:04 pm

There is a Manuel Ramirez advertised for sale on reverb that I would be cautious about. The label is right for the period (1903-1909) but the headstock is not one that Manuel is know to have used. It looks like a clumsy attempt at a Jose Ramirez III headstock. The guitar, itself is certainly, an old instrument-- but seems to have been altered to deceive. The seller in their defense back handedly tells the buyer to be beware: "Admittedly, guitars of this particular breed and vintage are not our richest area of expertise; we welcome any information that can be offered!"
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Re: Manuel Ramirez on Reverb-- caution.

Post by Debussychopin » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:23 pm

edit. nevermind

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Re: Manuel Ramirez on Reverb-- caution.

Post by Philosopherguy » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:45 am

I saw this guitar too. Does the bridge look a little funny, or is it just me?

I have no idea about historic guitars.

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Re: Manuel Ramirez on Reverb-- caution.

Post by MessyTendon » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:00 am

What about that General Vallejo guitar? I'd love to know more and see some photos.

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Re: Manuel Ramirez on Reverb-- caution.

Post by MessyTendon » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:55 am

The label is fake. How can you not see that?

Look where it says Fabrica De Guitarras under the T...you can clearly see a blue dot of ink...not exactly aged...modernist print on fake aged paper.

Also look under Fabrica De Guitarras...other early labels on the web also show the letters DE...under Fabrica De Guitarras.

There is no bleed of ink from applying hide glue to the label.

Also look under the A of Ramirez...another curious blue dot...again more modern ink. The label is as fake as can be. The exaggerated hatching of the lines don't seem to exist on other examples on the web.

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Re: Manuel Ramirez on Reverb-- caution.

Post by zavaletas » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:09 pm

You can fine photo of the 1843 Mateo Benedid on my website with the complete story of its history. Here, I like to share this youtube video.

https://youtu.be/FxDTuGvwQlo
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Re: Manuel Ramirez on Reverb-- caution.

Post by Carlos » Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:55 pm

zavaletas wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:09 pm
You can fine photo of the 1843 Mateo Benedid on my website with the complete story of its history. Here, I like to share this youtube video.

https://youtu.be/FxDTuGvwQlo
Interesting story, you have done a very good work here!

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Re: Manuel Ramirez on Reverb-- caution.

Post by Keith » Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:38 pm

Just went to Reverb--there are now 2 Manuel Ramirez. The one selling for $8.8K looks way too clean for a 108 year old guitar. $8.8K seems way too low for a guitar of this breed/age. The one selling for $20K looks like it has been around for 108 years. The label was glued in off to side of the middle strip. Is one of these 2 guitars the possible fake or was it another one?
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